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GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by mmooss »

lucb1e wrote: post #91
em3rgent0rdr wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably any new Android 17 features that aren't counter to GrapheneOS's mission, such as "Bubbles allows you to turn any app into a compact, floating window" https://blog.google/products-and-platforms/platforms/android...

Does GrapheneOS run on tablets? I don't see a whole chat app (shown in the example) fitting on my phone screen alongside something like a web browser, and the screenshot is from a square screen

There's an (un)folding Pixel that runs GOS. Not exactly a tablet, but possibly sufficient depending on your needs. Not cheap, however.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by mmooss »

MinimalAction wrote: post #125

What's the biggest draw of GrapheneOS apart from de-googling? Does it have a better battery life? And compliance with NFC payments?

Greatly improved privacy and security and end-user control of your phone and its data. In those areas, possibly the best option, though iPhones might be better in security (not necessarily the other two areas) - Apple has a slightly bigger budget and a few more engineers, and directly controls the hardware.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by flexagoon »

dakolli wrote: post #138
matheusmoreira wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Pixel phones are not sold worldwide Still boggles my mind the fact Google doesn't sell their phones worldwide. Obtaining a Pixel has proven to be quite difficult for me.

It still boggles my mind that the most popular privacy OS requires Google manufactured hardware, that fact alone makes me not trust it at all.

They list their exact criteria for supporting a device. So far, only Pixels fit all of them (and I guess the Motorolas will soon)

https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by edwcross »

sivers wrote: post #20
jordand wrote: post #12

I've been running GrapheneOS for 7 months now and I'm not going back. When I bought my Pixel 10 last year, I wasn't actually planning on trying Graphene for a while....until I noticed Google had force bundled a 'Wicked For Good' movie promo theme with the latest security update.

Ha! Me too! Exact same. Bought a Pixel 10. Intended to do the default Android for a while. But it was filled with ads for “Wicked” which had me looking at my phone with a sneer on my face I couldn't erase - as if someone had smeared feces all over it and threw it on my bed. So I jumped straight to GrapheneOS, which was way easier and less extreme than I had been warned. So beautifully minimal, with no crap. Now my ph…

Does it affect the photo quality? It used to require letting go of the default photo app and thus a downgrade in photo processing.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by Cider9986 »

jesterson wrote: post #197
Cider9986 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To get a sense of the project and its goals I recommend reading this post[1]. Buying a used Pixel is economical, environmental, and likely doesn't support Google. Pixels are the only secure and open android devices that could work for the project and meet the extensive requirements[2]. This is because GrapheneOS takes real steps to protect user privacy and security, not features that degrade security and don't increa…

> Buying a used Pixel is economical, environmental, and likely doesn't support Google Interesting. What do you think are reasons for google to run Pixel then? Not being sarcastic here, but what links you shared (thank you) say imply there are almost no benefits for Google to run Pixels and as we all know, Google is not a company doing charities.

> What do you think are reasons for google to run Pixel then?

Get millions of users using their services. The average person who buys a Pixel will likely go all in with the Google ecosystem giving Google every word they type, every message to a loved one, every search. It's a data gold mine.

I doubt they sell Pixels at a loss, but even if they did they could make up for it like how Amazon does with kindles.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2026/04/28/price-of-...

I think they also use pixels for testing android and such which is why they keep it secure and open.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by samplatt »

jordand wrote: post #12

I've been running GrapheneOS for 7 months now and I'm not going back. When I bought my Pixel 10 last year, I wasn't actually planning on trying Graphene for a while....until I noticed Google had force bundled a 'Wicked For Good' movie promo theme with the latest security update.

How's the P10 camera on graphene? Literally 90% of the reason I'm on a pixel is because I love the low-light smarts that the camera software has, but I don't know if I'll lose that with Graphene.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by mmooss »

eipi10_hn wrote: post #190
sergiotapia wrote: post #181

I own a z fold 6. If I try Graphene what do I lose? Similar to how if you use something like icefox or icewolf one of those very secure browser, lots of normie websites like banking just straight up don't work. What would I lose by moving away from samsung's default to this more private OS?

You can't install Graphene OS on Samsung phones.

GOS won't install? It's blocked somehow? Or it's not officially supported?

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by flexagoon »

tasty_freeze wrote: post #33
Cider9986 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The main things I miss are (1) when I'm entering text I can't swipe left and right on the space bar to scroll the cursor left and right, GrapheneOS is compatible with the vast , vast majority of Android apps, so you can use GBoard or FUTO keyboard (which I recently switched to from GBoard), to get the ideal experience. FUTO recently revamped their swipe to type model and it's now more accurate than GBoard in their…

Thanks for your thoughts. I use FUTO voice usually, but there are situations where typing out a short message is better -- eg, in a restaurant or doctor's office or someplace where voice input might bother other people. I've found graphene's keyboard far more error-prone than the stock android keyboard, but I also don't care to learn swipe to type. The feature I'm missing is simply that rubbing my finger left or righ…

> I've found graphene's keyboard far more error-prone than the stock android keyboard, but I also don't care to learn swipe to type.

Graphene's keyboard is the stock AOSP keyboard. Most Android systems ship with their own one instead of it, but that's the one that is built into the system by default.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by mmooss »

From Google's Android 17 release:

> ... Android 17 expands the capabilities of AppFunctions, a platform API with a corresponding Jetpack library. It allows you to contribute your app's unique capabilities as orchestratable "tools" for Android MCP, the on-device equivalent of the Model Context Protocol. AI agents and assistants (like Google Gemini) can discover and execute AppFunctions to perform workflows on behalf of the user with direct access to the app's local state.

Is that implemented in GOS? How is that done securely - giving LLMs power to control some apps?

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by allthetime »

jordand wrote: post #12

I've been running GrapheneOS for 7 months now and I'm not going back. When I bought my Pixel 10 last year, I wasn't actually planning on trying Graphene for a while....until I noticed Google had force bundled a 'Wicked For Good' movie promo theme with the latest security update.

I want to run graphene but I make android apps and need to test on device with a somewhat standard setup… login with google, etc. is this reasonable to do with graphene?
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