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Post by tomnipotent »

close04 wrote: post #278
rntksi wrote: post #175

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Where did you get the $120bn figure? FYI last fiscal results from Q1 of Alphabet, Google Cloud made $20bn revenue Q1 2026, up from Q4 2025 of $17bn. It's a bit misleading to include "subscriptions, platforms, and devices" in cloud. Q1 2026 Google's revenue totalled $109bn, of which $77bn is Ads, so 70% of its revenue is Ads. It's common knowledge that Google is an Ads company.

> FYI last fiscal results from Q1 I googled the money they made from cloud, subscriptions, platforms, and devices, then approximated almost $120bn in a year. The precise number mattered less than the fact that it's a ton of it already, enough to cover a lot of payoffs. > It's a bit misleading to include I didn't "include in" anything, it was an enumeration of things that aren't ads. "Google makes $Q from X and Y", no…

It doesn't matter what Google makes money from, it matters what they pay Mozilla for. And they pay Mozilla exclusively rev share on ads, nothing else.

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Post by fuckinpuppers »

gblargg wrote: post #294
EasyMark wrote: post #279

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Yeah not sure what they're talking about, that's how I do it too

I just tested and apparently their site is extremely flaky. I tried for several minutes to get info but nothing except one time (changing store location, refreshing). Then it started working fine for a while, updating when I changed location. I cleared cookies out each time and that didn't cause/fix it. So it's not intentional to push you to the app, just a shit site (not just because of this issue, but its extreme s…

Likely just terrible Indian outsourced development. Fetches the data via XHR, but hits a service that is flaky because of 5 years of A/B crap messing with it. Poor management, bad business stakeholders and crap developers. Welcome to the enterprise

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Post by thisislife2 »

yannicklesuisse wrote: post #425
hamburgererror wrote: post #268

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I will consider Orion only when it is open source.

We get this question a lot. Our CEO is clear about this: Our guiding principle isn’t about licensing models ... it’s about interoperability. The original Unix philosophy (McIlroy, Ritchie, Thompson) says nothing about source code licensing. It’s about programs that do one thing well and work together through universal interfaces. Open source is a distribution and licensing model; conflating it with software openness…

Sure, there's nothing wrong in pursuing a closed-source commercial business model. But you guys also said you won't collect any user data with the browser, and that may be true. And yet, you stopped offering offline installers, in lieu of online installers that can be used (in theory) to add persistent and unique ids, do data harvesting and dynamic / customised installations. That doesn't inspire trust to your pro-privacy claims.

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Post by thisislife2 »

stronglikedan wrote: post #380
chinathrow wrote: post #23

Look, we're having a good time on Firefox since November 9, 2004. Come join us!

I use both daily and Chrome is still faster and more intuitive, which is unfortunate because I'd really like to degoogle.

Use Un-googled Chromium - https://ungoogled-software.github.io/about/ ... it's Chrome without the Google crap.

Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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Post by thisislife2 »

inigyou wrote: post #430
hgoel wrote: post #274

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The motivation for vertical tabs is pretty straightforward, screens are mostly wider than they are tall, browsers are often used in fullscreen mode, yet much of the web does not use much of the screen's width. So it's a better use of screen space to put tabs on the side than on top.

tabs also contain horizontal text

True. And when I first saw that Tor browser (i.e. Firefox) offered a vertical tabs mode without the tab title (and only the favicons), I thought it was the stupidest vertical tab UI design possible. But then I decided to try it for a week, and guess what - I appreciated the extra space, and it wasn't as hard identifying the tabs through their favicons as I thought it would be. And if needed you can always drag the vertical tab sidebar to reveal the tab title. (Note though that I am not one of these people who opens 100's of tabs and keeps it open. In fact, I find too many tabs cluttering and distracting and if I need to scroll to find my tabs I start closing the tabs).

Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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Post by stouset »

Obscurity4340 wrote: post #409
stouset wrote: post #360

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For context, a small amount (~2% of subscription fees IIRC) goes to Yandex. The CEO argues that their goal is to provide the best possible search, and that they remain impartial to geopolitical issues. Reducing the quality of their product to pick sides on political issues is not a sacrifice they are willing to make. Whether or not you agree with this take, framing this as being supporters of the war in Ukraine is ex…

Are accuracy and relevance calculable?

Would Kagi be spending money on these partners if they weren’t relatively certain it was improving their product?

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

eps wrote: post #434
Animats wrote: post #350

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My Ad Limiter add-on is down to 19 users on Firefox. Used to be thousands. It won't work on Chrome at all now. I'm shutting down SiteTruth, after almost 20 years.[1] [1] https://www.sitetruth.com

Fwiw, I've been using Firefox for 20+ years, I hate ads with passion and yet I never heard of your add-on until just now. I don't remember what I've used before uBlock Origin, but since its appearance it's basically solved the ad blocking on Firefox and became the de-facto standard for the browser. You probably lost all your users to it, rather that they all stopped using FF.

> I don't remember what I've used before uBlock Origin

Most likely AdBlock Plus. It was basically the standard until they started allowing advertisers to pay to not have their ads blocked.

Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

prmph wrote: post #299
chinathrow wrote: post #23

Look, we're having a good time on Firefox since November 9, 2004. Come join us!

Firefox and Firefox-derivative browsers have and continue to be seriously sluggish and memory and energy hogs. This should not be swept under the rug. Even today it is difficult for me to use Firefox, Mullvad, etc. When I used to use them, almost every time my machine became slow the solution was to kill Firefox. EDIT: It's true folks, I would love to be able to use Firefox as my primary browser. But all my experienc…

I found that in general, Firefox works fast enough that I can't tell the difference in performance between it and Chromium-based browsers. I have 128 GB of RAM on my desktop, so even if it's a memory hog, I'd never notice.

However, occasionally I'd run into sites with terrible performance issues. Facebook [0] was often insanely slow on Firefox and would sometimes freeze up entirely.

I wanted a Chromium-based browser but didn't want Chrome, Edge, or Brave. I ended up landing on Vivaldi and have been happy with it so far.

[0] Yeah, yeah, ridicule me all you want for still using Facebook, but I enjoy it because I don't have shitty friends.

Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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Post by nubinetwork »

fsflover wrote: post #389
nubinetwork wrote: post #388

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I'd rather the code not be there at all, if they leave a toggle for it, they're likely to turn it on without my permission. Mozilla has little trust in my book after mr robot and their other nonsense.

So you trust Google who is killing any protection from tracking but do not trust Mozilla that supports a strong protection?

I never said that I was a Chrome user, I said that I equally don't trust Mozilla.
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