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Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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Post by preg_match »

esseph wrote: post #261
preg_match wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chromium is technically faster but in practice it doesn’t matter if you don’t have an adblocker. Adblocking significantly lowers render and JS load and lessens memory pressure. It varies site to site, but keep in mind that ads have to be fetched and then displayed. That’s not free. Firefox with uBlock origin is basically as fast as a web browser can get.

> It varies site to site, but keep in mind that ads have to be fetched and then displayed. That’s not free. Move your ad blocking to a different layer. Like say, network level.

This can be done but it’s not sophisticated enough for many ads. Websites are smart and will smuggle ads through known-good domains that you can’t block. You really need to be able to navigate the dom and use JS heuristics to identify ads and popups.

Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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Post by qweqwe14 »

preg_match wrote: post #290
qweqwe14 wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

uBO Lite exists and blocks ads just as well as uBO. Why do people pretend it doesn't exist?

Because it doesn’t work just as well, because the blocking is less dynamic and filter lists are more out of date. For simple ad blocking scenarios it’s fine, but it will actually miss some ads on some websites.

I've yet to see any ads on uBO Lite so I'll assume it's false, unless you give an example

Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

mrweasel wrote: post #101
nishanmiranda wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox haven't caved in so far. Why do u think it might in future?

Because Mozilla, at least from the outside appears to have been horribly mismanaged for the past 20-25 years and only survived because the ad money kept rolling in. I'm not knocking Mozilla for taking money from Google, it was a smart move. Most users would use Google anyway, so Mozilla pocketing billions by making users preferred search engine the default didn't really hurt anyone. Some of that money should however…

There is a meme that Google financially supports Firefox development as some soft of strategy whereby having an "alternative" to Chrome gives Google some sort of "protection"

This does not make any sense and there is zero evidence to support it

Firefox's value to Google could be as a source for browser development. As part of the agreement between Google and Mozilla, perhaps Google gets more than just search traffic from Firefox, perhaps it also gets collaboration with Mozilla on software development. There is a history of such collaboration. Google CEO did not want competition from Mozilla on a browser. Chrome was originally written by ex-Mozilla developers using components of Firefox^1

1.

https://web.archive.org/web/20121018180015/https://www.compu...

https://web.archive.org/web/20200805000248/https://blogs.wsj...

Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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Post by gblargg »

EasyMark wrote: post #279
sseagull wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I only use the Home Depot website, and it shows the location for me. Maybe it’s regional or something

Yeah not sure what they're talking about, that's how I do it too

I just tested and apparently their site is extremely flaky. I tried for several minutes to get info but nothing except one time (changing store location, refreshing). Then it started working fine for a while, updating when I changed location. I cleared cookies out each time and that didn't cause/fix it. So it's not intentional to push you to the app, just a shit site (not just because of this issue, but its extreme slowness on mobile).

Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

HerbManic wrote: post #28

Just remember that Google is essentially an advertising company and that they were always going to squeeze this opening closed as soon as they could get away with it. I do fear for a future were even Firefox ends up caving in. Ladybird browser might be our only hope until something legal comes along to block functionality.

If Mozilla operates from revenue derived from selling www traffic to an advertising company running a "search engine", then it is 100% possible and realistic that Mozilla's browser could be optimised for advertising

Mozilla literally advocates for an "online advertising ecosystem"

At present Firefox is designed to send search traffic to Google by default

Mozilla can only see its continued existence through support from advertising. It does not just partner with advertising compaines, it actually acquired an adtech company

Google has a history of "shaking the cushions" by targeting their advertising customers and Chrome. It's reasonable to forsee that they could also target the agreement with Mozilla, i.e., Firefox

https://www.inc.com/minda-zetlin/google-found-a-sneaky-way-t...

https://nypost.com/2023/11/29/business/google-ad-chief-jerry...

Maybe Mozilla breaks its partnership with Google, who knows. But based on a long history of Mozilla advocacy for online ads and working with online advertising companies, it seems 100% committed to online advertising as a "business model" regardless of whether it partners with Google or another "search engine"

Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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Post by dvngnt_ »

lelanthran wrote: post #184

Good! Give everyone the push they need to break the web homogeny of Chrome everywhere. I'm tired of all the (mostly technical) people whining that they need Chrome, and only Chrome can browse the internet. Then you ask them for a site that doesn't work and conveniently "it was some time back and I don't remember the details". I've been using FF since before it was called Firefox. In the last 10 years I've not come ac…

The only negative experience I've had is with google sites.

Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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Post by jayofdoom »

yannicklesuisse wrote: post #246

PM of Orion here. Orion ( https://orionbrowser.com ) is a WebKit-based browser for Mac, Linux, iPadOS and iOS that supports both Chrome and Firefox extensions natively ⟩ including uBlock Origin. We have no plans to drop extension support. Content blocking is a feature, not a loophole, and we think users should have full control over what runs in their browser.

No, you don't support Linux. I just tried to download it and got a "coming soon". Please don't post misleading things to HN :(.

Kagi has a good rep; misleading comments like this hurts it.

Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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Post by prmph »

yannicklesuisse wrote: post #246

PM of Orion here. Orion ( https://orionbrowser.com ) is a WebKit-based browser for Mac, Linux, iPadOS and iOS that supports both Chrome and Firefox extensions natively ⟩ including uBlock Origin. We have no plans to drop extension support. Content blocking is a feature, not a loophole, and we think users should have full control over what runs in their browser.

Why do you have quite a number of glaring UX issues? I want to love Orion, but even something as basic as the tabs theming is driving me away.

By default is it almost impossible to distinguish which tabs i active in some situations. I think the browser automatically tints the window based on the dominant color of the page you are viewing, which means if I am viewing youtube for example, the whole browser windows is tinted a bit darker, in such a way that I can't easily make out outline of the currently selected tab.

Such a bummer for what should have been an easlity changeable behavior with settings: I do not want any tinting, and I want hight contract mode

Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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Post by prmph »

chinathrow wrote: post #23

Look, we're having a good time on Firefox since November 9, 2004. Come join us!

Firefox and Firefox-derivative browsers have and continue to be seriously sluggish and memory and energy hogs. This should not be swept under the rug.

Even today it is difficult for me to use Firefox, Mullvad, etc. When I used to use them, almost every time my machine became slow the solution was to kill Firefox.

EDIT: It's true folks, I would love to be able to use Firefox as my primary browser. But all my experience with it (and I used it for more than a decade) has been dogged by its sluggishness.

Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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Post by HelloUsername »

jayofdoom wrote: post #297
yannicklesuisse wrote: post #246

PM of Orion here. Orion ( https://orionbrowser.com ) is a WebKit-based browser for Mac, Linux, iPadOS and iOS that supports both Chrome and Firefox extensions natively ⟩ including uBlock Origin. We have no plans to drop extension support. Content blocking is a feature, not a loophole, and we think users should have full control over what runs in their browser.

No, you don't support Linux. I just tried to download it and got a "coming soon". Please don't post misleading things to HN :(. Kagi has a good rep; misleading comments like this hurts it.

> No, you don't support Linux

Here you go, official beta flatpak:

https://orionbrowser.com/download/oriongtk-early-beta

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