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Shunning AI is the human choice

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Post by NietTim »

tavavex wrote: post #419
NietTim wrote: post #87

Some people just want to hate. I'll never understand it. The world is beautiful and so is AI. That doesn't mean they don't have ugly sides too, but choosing to focus on the ugly sides is a choice.

You could ignore the ugly sides in 2018 or 2022, when the tech consisted of fun toys that existed alongside everything else and not instead of it. In 2026, unless you're wealthy or are one of the few that don't need to use the internet to live, focusing on the ugly sides is not optional. When the ugly parts are coming for your employment, community, ability to own anything, your favorite spaces on the internet and yo…

Your argument clearly comes from a doomer perspective, your employment will be gone (Maybe, but you will find new employment), your community will be gone (?), your ability to own anything will be gone (?????)

> your favorite spaces on the internet and your power and voice in society(??), you can't just turn away and say that you'll just ignore tha

I've clearly been on the internet longer then you, all of my favorite places are already gone. It's completely fine. Life is finite and there is something beautiful about that.

I wish you too will find the beauty in life at some point.

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Post by NietTim »

inglor_cz wrote: post #329
NietTim wrote: post #87

Some people just want to hate. I'll never understand it. The world is beautiful and so is AI. That doesn't mean they don't have ugly sides too, but choosing to focus on the ugly sides is a choice.

I agree with you - I am already alarmed at how many people are now so openly hateful. As if they were waiting for a social licence to show their hearts and minds openly. It is in vogue to hate AI now, so they loudly proclaim their hate towards it, because it is widely acceptable. I will always be a little wary around those people who now profess their hate towards AI aloud. Who knows what and whom they hate with the…

Weird responses you're getting, I agree with you fully, if someone is constantly putting on display what they hate I'll keep as far away from them as I can be.

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Post by NietTim »

NoGravitas wrote: post #389
inglor_cz wrote: post #329

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I agree with you - I am already alarmed at how many people are now so openly hateful. As if they were waiting for a social licence to show their hearts and minds openly. It is in vogue to hate AI now, so they loudly proclaim their hate towards it, because it is widely acceptable. I will always be a little wary around those people who now profess their hate towards AI aloud. Who knows what and whom they hate with the…

I'll tell. It's you. You personally, and no one else. Not a category of people that includes you. Just you.

Such a weird, non HN worthy, type of comment. Just pure personal attack while they said nothing weird. Why are you here?

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Post by kjkjadksj »

zozbot234 wrote: post #366
MisterTea wrote: post #281

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If one person can become as productive as two or three, why keep the extra one or two employees? You might think that keeping the head count the same means the company can now do more but that is only true if the company has the bandwidth or market to grow into. AI is in its infancy, it's just learning to crawl. There will be more breakthroughs which will have more serious consequences. Today engineers are safe, hold…

> If one person can become as productive as two or three, why keep the extra one or two employees? You might think that keeping the head count the same means the company can now do more but that is only true if the company has the bandwidth or market to grow into. If the extra one or two employees are 2x or 3x as productive as they used to be, why would they not be employed? There will be plenty of market to grow int…

Money and customers are finite. The market will only grow via finite constraints changing. And ai is not changing these finite constraints.

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Post by mancerayder »

dspillett wrote: post #337
splittydev wrote: post #2

These people are going to have a really hard time coming to grips with reality in the next few years. AI is here to stay, and it's expanding very rapidly. If you can't fight them, join them.

To be frank I'm having a hard time already. I was already wanting to be out of tech as a job because after years of mental issues since 2020ish I've come to realise that remote working is a significant factor in that. Being in a company where all I hear day-in day-out when I do talk to people is “AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI…

Remote working is an incredible privilege I'd today take a big big salary cut for. Instead I'm in an expensive city paying 8 dollars for coffee, whatever in rent, and dealing with congestion of people everywhere. Congestion of people everywhere is way more of a mental health hazard for me than being alone.

Point is, you lost me after complaining about remote work. It reminded me of what I lost forever. I could have been working from a rainforest or the beach, in a low cost of living area, instead of this nightmare.

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Post by chasd00 »

randypewick wrote: post #12

I think that too many people are conflating their hate for AI, which is a technology, with the sick dynamics pushing it to gain profit. It's consumerism and capitalism to blame, AI is just a technology. As such, we want our leaders to be able to properly use such tech. But our leaders are clearly unable to do so.

I use AI and see value in it but agree the hype train is very annoying. My employer tracks how much we're using AI related tools and has a KPI we need to hit. Thats very annoying too. Reminds of communism: "ideas so great they're mandatory", AI: "A tool so amazing its use is mandatory".

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Post by esseph »

jesse_dot_id wrote: post #438
esseph wrote: post #368

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There are datacenters all over the place and have been for a very long time. Some of them host physical servers for people and companies, maybe only a literal closet somewhere in a building. Others are giant hyperscaler datacenters that have tons of 24/7 lighting and are the size of multiple football fields. We need to be very careful here, or we're going to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

That is also my concern. This feels like a Satanic panic type of thing and if people don't form nuanced opinions, politicians will latch on to the issue and before you know it, many people who are heavily reliant on machine learning who don't realize it are going to have a bad time when stuff starts getting banned.

It 100% feels like a satanic panic type of thing

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Post by WorldMaker »

palmotea wrote: post #266
frizlab wrote: post #176

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I don’t think it’s only that. I personally hate AI not because of CEOs and co, but because the tech is intrinsically born out of theft, and is still, to this day, evolving thanks to theft. And that’s even before the ecological considerations.

> I don’t think it’s only that. I personally hate AI not because of CEOs and co, but because the tech is intrinsically born out of theft, and is still, to this day, evolving thanks to theft. And that’s even before the ecological considerations. I also hate it because: 1) Fundamentally, it's about reducing the power of labor (which are what the vast majority of people are) and I know I'm a laborer. This is why the CEO…

2.5) It's not even about automating the engaging and creative work well. Code generated with LLMs are "Day 1 Legacy Code" with all sorts of tech debt liabilities from the very first generation. Art made with it is often "good enough" but rarely escapes the uncanny valley and succeeds at its creative goals. Technical writing made with it is "mansplaining as a service", often pompous and confident but low in nutritional value (and factual value). Creative writing made with it is repetitive, rambling, and frequently nonsensical, is terrible at metaphors and similes, is all exposition and almost no narrative arc, is bad at nuance and equally bad at overt messaging.

3) As a human, I don't just hate that C-Suites think they can replace my and my colleagues' creative output with LLMs, I dread the world where LLM-first creative content is ubiquitous because it will be a world of increasingly less substance/nutrition/taste/texture/other human metaphors.

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Post by saulpw »

kimetime wrote: post #409

I'm not really shunning, I've gone from very high on AI to mostly exhausted with it. I wish we could skip ahead ~5 years to it being another tool in the tool belt and lessons learned about where it's good and bad. Right now everything is so same-y. Barely any oxygen for other technologies to get funding and attention, large fraction of what I read on socials is in claude's or chatgpt's voice. ... and maybe I'm wrong…

I feel you, I kind of want to skip ahead some years too. But it feels like 1998 internet hype--skip ahead 5 years and Facebook hasn't even been created yet. The internet certainly didn't become just another tool in the tool belt, and the worst of the internet's effects were still yet to come.

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Post by 7tflutter7 »

velcrovan wrote: post #303
7tflutter7 wrote: post #231

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The only entities that would make meaningful money from an ai version of this would be IP giants like Disney. Your average guy is not going to get rich off his microscopic amount of data used. Basically Spotify.

I think you read the analogy too narrowly. I too doubt whether micropayments are worth fighting for, but there are other outcomes for which we could and should work together. For example, data center effects on water and power usage are well-known negative externalities of AI industry that could be eliminated by requiring data centers to invest in mitigations. The government could buy large holdings of stock in AI co…

Ok i actually agree with that. Imo the gov is going to have to print a lot of money to deal with the impacts of ai (covid was $5T), if we do it now that same dollar would go 10x further and the people would effectively be the largest owner of AI labs like Anthropic. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure idea.
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