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Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by micromacrofoot »

I understand where people are coming from with these takes... but look at the details, Mozilla is practically dead already. They are almost solely funded by Google.

Look at browser stats, what they're doing is not working and asking them to continue doing it will kill them. They have to change or they will die.

Their core audience (people on this site) is shrinking constantly. You can not save them.

I feel like this is a case where a bunch of smart people like something so much, or the idea of something, that they've completely blinded themselves to the facts.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by SilasX »

ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #34

CEO > He says he could begin to block ad blockers in Firefox and estimates that’d bring in another $150 million, but he doesn’t want to do that. It feels off-mission. LOL the day that Firefox stops me from running what I want is the day I'll get rid of it.

They...already do that? They stopped allowing unsigned addons, even if you allow them in about:config (a power-user feature). Even Chrome allows you to toggle the option to do that -- in a more user-friendly way! -- and actually honors it, so I don't think it's the massive security hole everyone claims.

Edit: My Hitler parody of when Firefox introduced this (almost 10 years ago now!): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taGARf8K5J8

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by chrisweekly »

throwaway613745 wrote: post #300
JoeJonathan wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like many others, the ability to run uBO is the main reason I use Firefox. Otherwise I'd use Chrome or Safari.

I have used Firefox as my default browser through thick and thin for damn near two decades. If Mozilla killed andblocking extensions I’d switch to Helium Browser in a heartbeat since they’re maintaining manifest v2 support for uBO and even ship it OOTB. The web is unusable without a proper Adblock.

Thanks for referencing Helium -- it looks great!

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by noirscape »

If Mozilla were to kill adblockers, there's basically no reason to not use Chromium. It's pretty much the only relevant difference between Chromium and Firefox these days.

It's truly impressive how they've managed to do every user-hostile trick Google Chrome also did over the years, except for no real clear reason besides contempt for their users autonomy I suppose. Right now the sole hill Mozilla really has left is adblockers, and they've talked about wanting to sacrifice that?

It truly boggles the mind to even consider this. That's not 150 million, that's the sound of losing all your users.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by socalgal2 »

throwaway613745 wrote: post #300
JoeJonathan wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like many others, the ability to run uBO is the main reason I use Firefox. Otherwise I'd use Chrome or Safari.

I have used Firefox as my default browser through thick and thin for damn near two decades. If Mozilla killed andblocking extensions I’d switch to Helium Browser in a heartbeat since they’re maintaining manifest v2 support for uBO and even ship it OOTB. The web is unusable without a proper Adblock.

I close any website covered in ads. Problem solved

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by goldsteinq »

colesantiago wrote: post #38

The state of Mozilla's current 'products': Firefox Mozilla VPN Mozilla Monitor Firefox Relay MDN Plus Thunderbird - Some of these products are just repackaged partnerships. - Firefox - Funded by Google with the search partnership bringing in $500M in revenue. (free) Mozilla VPN - Repackaged Mullvad VPN and using Mullvad servers. Mozilla Monitor - Repackaged HaveIBeenPwned. (free) Firefox Relay - No different to Simpl…

I am subscribed to recurrent donations to Thunderbird.

I would pay for Firefox if it was focused on privacy and customizabilty, not telemetry and LLMs.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by OkayPhysicist »

p-e-w wrote: post #128
nialv7 wrote: post #81

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The interpretation is not the problem. Whether he will do it, is actually secondary to the fact that he thinks cutting adblock can bringing in money. No, it will just kill the browser. The fact he thinks otherwise tells me how out of touch he is.

Firefox has a market share around 3%. Even most technologists stopped using it long ago. Many banks and government websites don’t even support it anymore and loudly tell people to use Chrome instead, especially in developing countries. Nothing can kill Firefox, because it’s already dead for all practical purposes.

Most of those sites are doing a little move called "lying". I occasionally (once every couple of months) run into a site claiming to not support Firefox. I can't recall a single site that wasn't a tech demo of some bleeding edge feature of Chrome that didn't magically start working when I turned on my Chrome UserAgent.

(Hey, if you work at Snapchat: fix your shit. Your desktop site is by far the most mainstream website I've come across that lies like this)

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by tokai »

derbOac wrote: post #289
graemep wrote: post #135

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> Many banks and government websites don’t even support it anymore and loudly tell people to use Chrome instead, especially in developing countries. I cannot remember the last time I came across one myself.

Reading comments here about problems using Firefox is odd to me as I never run into them. I feel like people are taking about totally different browsers. I don't remember the last time I had page rendering issues or was asked to use a different browser.

Its the same kind of people that claim Linux is too unstable for them, and when you ask when they tried it they say 15 years ago.
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