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Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

#31

It's kinda frustrating that Mozilla's CEO thinks that axing ad-blockers would be financially beneficial for them. Quite the opposite is true (I believe) since a ton of users would leave Firefox for alternatives.

Mozilla has pressure from their sugar daddy, Google, to weaken ad-blockers.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

#35

Unfortunately Firefox is basically already dead, it has an incredibly small market share and it will never grow again because their leadership is affected by the corporate mind virus. I know most HN users are on Firefox, but they should get used to an alternative now, not when its inevitable death happens.

do you have a source for hn users being mostly firefox users?

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

#36
post #6

Genuinely can someone with knowledge of the business explain why they aren't simply doubling down on making Firefox better? Is there an existential problem facing them that they are trying to solve by adding AI into the browser?

Their Google dependency is their existential problem. They're limited by what they can do with "making Firefox better" while effectively being a client state. An off the books Google department. Doomed to forever being a worse funded Chrome because they can't do too much to anger their patron.

By selling browser UI real estate to AI companies[0] they reduce the power Google has over them. If they get to the point where no individual company makes up a majority of their revenue, it allows them to focus on their mission in a much broader way.

[0]These will be very expensive listings should this feature become popular: https://assets-prod.sumo.prod.webservices.mozgcp.net/media/u...

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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post #8

A decent chunk of the users who bothered installing an adblock would also be bothered enough to install a FF fork with adblock, so I doubt the revenue increase would be much. As for calling it "off-mission": yes, what's even the point of FF if that's the route it goes on?

Do any of these forks have the ability to sync, either with Firefox or something self hosted? Or are they all just basically reskins with a single toggle added or such?

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

#38
The state of Mozilla's current 'products':

Firefox

Mozilla VPN

Mozilla Monitor

Firefox Relay

MDN Plus

Thunderbird

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Some of these products are just repackaged partnerships.

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Firefox - Funded by Google with the search partnership bringing in $500M in revenue. (free)

Mozilla VPN - Repackaged Mullvad VPN and using Mullvad servers.

Mozilla Monitor - Repackaged HaveIBeenPwned. (free)

Firefox Relay - No different to Simplelogin and not open source. (free)

MDN Plus - Be honest, you wouldn't pay for this since this was offered for a long time for free, MDN is already free.

Thunderbird - Most likely funded by Google (free) (using Firefox Search Revenue)

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Be honest, would you pay for any of Mozilla's products when most of these can be found for free or close to free?

That is the problem.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

#39
I dont know how anyone could take mozilla seriously after they integrated google analytics into it about 10 years ago for no reason I can fathom. It immediately made me think somethings off, and I never used it again.

Instead I thought screw it and just went nuts deep into chrome, atleast it was more functional.

ps - ( apparently mozilla took it out sometime later , but to me the damage to its reputation was done)

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

#40
post #6

Genuinely can someone with knowledge of the business explain why they aren't simply doubling down on making Firefox better? Is there an existential problem facing them that they are trying to solve by adding AI into the browser?

What does "doubling down on making Firefox better?" mean? What can Mozilla Firefox do to make their 500 million without Google?

They could just make less money and deprioritise non-engineering/engineering-leadership personnel.
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