Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

apnews.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

441–450 of 453 posts

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

#441

Post by fragmede »

b112 wrote: post #354
blitzar wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once the data is in bosses will see the massive benefits and ban mobile phones entirely during work hours.

Good. I recall "no personal calls" at work as a rule, in the old days. Inbound emergencies allowed, of course. Why do people think looking at their personal email, or looking at their phone is acceptable at work? It's no different than sitting, reading a magazine pre-Internet. The very idea would have been absurd.

> It's no different than sitting

I'm curious, do supermarket cashiers where you live stand or sit? Why/why not?

The job of pick items up from a belt, finding the barcode, moving that across the scanner until there's a beep, and then putting it on the "out" belt, really does not require the employee to be standing for it.

So why then, are they standing? Because merely sitting looks lazy and unprofessional? Sure if it's a 20 year old they have the energy, but if the employee is 64 about to retire? Making them stand for an entire 8 hour shift, I mean, that's how it is, but it doesn't seem cruel to you when the job doesn't require it and isn't affected by giving the 64 year old employee a stool to sit on until she retires?

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

#442

Post by eikenberry »

teekert wrote: post #206
eikenberry wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did close to the same with my kids.. their PCs were in a common room, they got their first phone at 14 and it stayed at the downstairs charging station at night until 17. IMO it worked great and both our kids have a healthy relationship with their phones and tech in general.

I got my first smartphone at 23 (an HTC touch) and have an unhealthy relationship with my phone ;) You’re lucky. Some kids do prefer the real world.

When I say they have a "healthy relationship with tech" it doesn't mean they don't use tech, they both are heavily into tech, but don't let it impact their life adversely. It is more a balance that works for that individual than a preference for real vs. tech.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

#443

Post by trey-jones »

isaacremuant wrote: post #290
trey-jones wrote: post #53

As a parent who gave my oldest child a (very used) smartphone just before she turned 14, I would be in favor of making smartphones illegal under age 15 (or some other number, higher or lower I don't care). I'm pretty sure they're worse than cigarettes for the future of humanity.

How about you parent your kid instead of trying to get the government to parent everyone else's? What the hell is you and everyone else's problem who want to get into other families' business. Disgusting intrusiveness and authoritianism.

A late reply to your outrage: I said I'm in favor, I'm not trying to parent your kids, but the effects of putting a phone (or similar) into most peoples' hands is easily observable and marked. I'm not limiting this to children. I observe it in my father who is 75 and I never would have imagined that he would be addicted to his phone. I observe it in myself, despite taking what most would call extreme precautions against phone addiction.

And I especially observe in my children that whatever limit I set, they will use all of it before they do anything else. I observe kids with their chins on their chest looking at a phone and I know it's not physically healthy. All I said is it's worse than cigarettes (meaning if cigarettes are regulated, phones might outta be too), and I stand by that.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

#444

Post by Parka3458 »

pembrook wrote: post #174
trey-jones wrote: post #53

As a parent who gave my oldest child a (very used) smartphone just before she turned 14, I would be in favor of making smartphones illegal under age 15 (or some other number, higher or lower I don't care). I'm pretty sure they're worse than cigarettes for the future of humanity.

Denmark's government has authoritarian aims and are one of the primary groups pushing chat control in the EU. I think you are falling for the "think of the children..." fallacy here. This is a stepping stone towards further control elsewhere, especially once a framework for enforcement is in place (which nobody actually thinks about when emotionally reacting to feel-good ideas like this). How easy would it be to expa…

Whenever a politician wants you to think of the children, you should be alert. What we see Danish politicians push for is the same we see in England. I don't think Danish politicians are acting on their own, it is much more likely that this is a push from EU.

We see similar attacks on personal freedom with the new GDPR updates: https://noyb.eu/en/eu-commission-about-wreck-core-principles...

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

#445

Post by isaacremuant »

tomhow wrote: post #434
isaacremuant wrote: post #433

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You realize that you're putting your "boring moderating reality" against the very real claims of goverments and people here to - Remove people who didn't obey the house imprisonment rules during covid from society. - Removing their jobs and ability to make a living - Stealing their money - Denying their ability to healthcare for any procedure - Be put in camps permanently until they "complied" because "their body, ou…

Please don't try to turn this into a debate about pandemic policies. You don't know what any of us personally believed about any of it then or now, and it's nothing to do with the issue at hand. There's no point having any guidelines or standards for the way this place operates if they change based on the particular issue of the day. The purpose of HN's guidelines is that we should be able discuss any topic, no matte…

Mmmm...

I'll make it short-ish:

- I'll say goodbye for now. You've given me pause and not because I buy into the fake politeness because I think that's BS (If you may grant me that expletive). - I think bringing 11 year old stuff (2014) without actually even putting the comment shows bad faith and an imbalance of power which tells me all I need to know not to engage further. You win. Point proven. You have power. I don't. Go pretend your world is fair and equitable but, if you have a lot of free time, do analyze how much you stopped calls for denying healthcare and putting people on camps the same way you stop someone telling others to parent their kids instead of removing their freedoms.

Au revoir and thanks for all the fish.

Edit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33765437 holy dolphin. Really? Well, honorary deletion. Too much of a hassle. Way to ruin the dramatic exit with bureocracy.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

#446

Post by soulofmischief »

WhyOhWhyQ wrote: post #432
ipaddr wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kids socialize in video games now.

When I was a kid I joined a random BBCode forum with a group of 10 people who taught me how to program. There were challenges some passionate person set up and he would give tips to me and a few others for free. We hung out all day. That's gone.

We can create spaces like that again, and teach the younger generations, instead of antagonizing them, coddling them and banning them from congregating on the internet.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

#447

Post by WhyOhWhyQ »

soulofmischief wrote: post #446
WhyOhWhyQ wrote: post #432

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I was a kid I joined a random BBCode forum with a group of 10 people who taught me how to program. There were challenges some passionate person set up and he would give tips to me and a few others for free. We hung out all day. That's gone.

We can create spaces like that again, and teach the younger generations, instead of antagonizing them, coddling them and banning them from congregating on the internet.

The actual forces promote toxic platforms like TikTok, Sora, Twitter, BlueSky with no real productive value at all. Even HN is a waste of our lives yet here we are.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

#448

Post by soulofmischief »

WhyOhWhyQ wrote: post #447
soulofmischief wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can create spaces like that again, and teach the younger generations, instead of antagonizing them, coddling them and banning them from congregating on the internet.

The actual forces promote toxic platforms like TikTok, Sora, Twitter, BlueSky with no real productive value at all. Even HN is a waste of our lives yet here we are.

I have a great time on the internet. I meet new people all the time, and I have met many of them in real life, and many of them have become good friends. I am sorry you're having such a bad time, but if you looked around, you'd see there are many healthy communities built around all sorts of interests.

Some of them even live on TikTok. I don't use TikTok, but my girlfriend uses it quite a lot and while there is plenty of brainrot, she also learns a lot from it, too.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

#449

Post by simongray »

boomlinde wrote: post #376
simongray wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> everyone but the biggest players throwing out a lot of bathwater with very little baby by simply not accepting Danish users (if required). The biggest players in social media are precisely the ones that this law is targeting. No one in charge of implementing this law is going to care whether some Mastodon server implements a special auth solution for Danish users or not, they are going to care that Facebook, TikTok…

> No one in charge of implementing this law is going to care whether some Mastodon server implements a special auth solution for Danish users or not, they are going to care that Facebook, TikTok, Instagram, etc. do so. And if that little Mastodon server ends up hosting some content that is embarrassing or offensive to the Danish authorities, laws like this will surely not be used to retaliate... Arbitrarily and selec…

Why do you think it's going to be arbitrary?

The law will obviously be framed in such a way as to hit the targets it is supposed to hit, avoid collateral damage. It's not like complete amateurs are writing our laws.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

#450

Post by dr_kretyn »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #319
dr_kretyn wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those very responsible would likely do that. But then you have a spectrum from "fully responsible but on occasions slip" to "not responsible at all". You can help some make the "good" decision and prevent others from making "bad" decisions. Hopefully those who grew up with healthier environments will have higher chances for becoming "fully responsible".

It amazes me after seeing the corruption of the current government that people want to give it more power over our lives.

Seems we don't live in the same country and so we don't have the same "current government." Yes, if I were living in US, I wouldn't want to give the "current government" more power. Though, one might consider what is the cause and what is effect in the US political situation.
Post reply on HN