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EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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They are considered separate languages in the same way that Chinese “dialects” are considered separate languages.

Some Chinese dialects are a lot further apart than eg English and German. They are mostly called 'Chinese dialects' rather than languages for political reasons. Gotta project that unity.

Yes. That was the point I was implying :)

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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It’s about control. It is a fundamental difference in perspective and mentality regarding control. America is or at least was largely oriented around indirect control or outcome oriented objectives, where Europe is largely oriented around direct control or prescribed objectives.

It’s also enshrined in our respective governments and the foundational philosophies that underpin them. The US Declaration of Independence sets out to describe that the natural rights of the men who created the USA are preeminent and the Constitution lists how those rights may not be infringed upon, i.e. It creates laws that binds and limits the actions of government, something that was and has never been emulated since. Where across Europe, you simply do not have anything even remotely similar and the law inversely describes what you are permitted by government to do instead.

It is effectively descriptive vs prescriptive law and underlying philosophies. It is something I have had the hardest time on occasion getting my European friends to really internalize, seemingly because it’s so contrary to what their conditioned with all their life, i.e., the government is essentially the matter that grants you what it grants you, not that you have rights that the government may not infringe upon.

But to be fair, this possibly European tendency to dominate and control what you may and may not do and when and how, is and long has been creeping into the USA too, arguably since even the 12th amendment to the Constitution and getting worse with every amendment since, layers upon layers of contradicting and conflicting flaws and bugs that will be reading their ugly heed here in about two years, when Trump may run for President again. And if you don’t think he can, you simply don’t understand what a spaghetti code the Constitution is after the 11th amendment, hack after hack building up mountains of debt that is going to come due in our lives.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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My German teacher always claimed that Swiss German and German German (Hochdeutsch) were so different that she needed subtitles to understand it, and she didn't understand why they weren't considered separate languages.

It depends. There is not one Swiss German but multiple subdialects. The language spoke around the Bern region very far away from German while the one from Zürich or Basel is much closer. Since there is no official written from they never really converged to a homogeneous language.

This sort of thing always makes me think of the English my grandmother from the foothills of the Appalachian mountains spoke. It vas very distinct from standard American English.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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> Startups belong to the latter. Except that Apple, Intel, Tesla, etc have all received US government investment [1]. TSMC is a product of the Taiwanese state! Government investment can be done well, and seeds excellent companies. [1]: https://www.sba.gov/blog/2024/2024-02/white-house-sba-announ...

It doesn't matter if government funded startups have been successful. It's not the government's job to provide capital to high risk ventures. They should provide public services for the people and regulate the private sector according to the interest of the people.

I don't understand why your comment is downvoted.

The comment you're replying to is tainted with the survivorship bias. We see successful companies that got government funding, but not the opposite. Maybe we'd have more innovation and competition without government picking these specific winners.

Ironically, one of the companies you mentioned (Apple) now operates in an environment with very little competition and regularly faces antitrust claims.

Government picking winners may actually reduce competition in the long run. The key difference: when private money picks wrong, it's their loss. When government picks wrong, it's taxpayer money.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Each EU country nominates one official language for the EU, otherwise we'd have Catalan, Breton, Kashubian and many more.

Well, this was 4 days ago, Spain in talks with Germany regarding the addition of official languages: https://www.politico.eu/article/catalan-basque-galician-boos...

If you can't find a common language within your own country, you shouldn't get to be one country.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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While grant process in EU isn't fun, I think Levels has bit of an ego issues. He mentioned that if he had issues like that on eg X, he would see Elon himself in the replies. While he is great at converting his influencer status to income in his micro-SaaS projects, I don't think running ad-fueled browser games on state-sponsored super computer should be really aim of these grant programs.

Problem with these grant proposal things is that it favors established businesses over small founders. Establishes businesses have much more resources to go through all the legal / red tape issues. I’ve seen this in practice with innovation subsidies: small startup has to spend a lot of time to go though all the hoops, taking up significant resources, to get modest compensation for actual innovative work. Larger busi…

this! it favors established business with legal teams and (maybe more importantly) with connections.

The EU is also great at creating a heavy regulatory environment. Which entrenches existing incumbents. So the EU creates barriers that favor big companies, then tries to fix it with grants that... also favor big companies.

And then everyone's surprised that there's no innovation in Europe.

From all the world's companies worth over 100B$ there's only one European company - SAP, founded 50 years ago. [1]

[1] https://www.economist.com/briefing/2021/06/05/once-a-corpora...

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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It's true that they are appointed. However, they're appointed by the EU Council (the heads of state, most of them elected, some appointed by a national parliament), and approved by the (elected) European Parliament. At the cost of some transparency, this does make it possible to select a bit more for management skills instead of just campaigning skills.

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Trump was appointed as well by that standard. But nobody says that, that's my point. It's a double standard designed to spread FUD.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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The Commission is appointed by elected officials. That's the same way the US presidency works. It's also how the UK PM role works, or any minister in pretty much any democratic government. All of those are still referred to as "elected" in common tongue.

Actually it’s very different to the US presidency and UK PM. US presidential candidates are appointed, but they must then be elected by the public. UK PMs must be elected MPs, or at least must face an immediate by-election (by constitutional convention) if not already an MP If back-hand deals, internal political favouritism, nepotism or opportunism lead to the appointment of an EU Commissioner there’s nothing the pub…

US presidents are appointed by the electoral college, not elected by the public.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Tunisians claim they can understand Maltese with minimum effort, is it reciprocal? How close is Maltese to arabic / tunisian dialect ?

Not sure which Tunisians are claiming this but they'd definitely need a lot more than minimum effort. Maltese split off from Arabic around 1k years ago. The two languages sound pretty different, and are written with different alphabets.

Tunisian dialect must have split of at the same time, because it's as far from arabic as maltese is. most arabs don't understand our dialect (fortunately we also speak standard arabic which we learn at school). I read some research saying maltese/tunisian is a separate language called lingua franca

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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They could get Austria to do it, as it presumably has a spare slot.

This raises an interesting question. Is there only one dialect of German in the LLM? My understanding is that the German German and Austrian German dialects are significantly different.

Not a native, but from what I understand, austrian german is pretty similar to what is spoken in southern Germany, but northern germany is significantly different.
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