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Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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You'd boycott these companies, that you don't know who they are? It's not much of a boycott to stop doing business with companies you already aren't doing business with.

How do I know if I'm doing business with them if I don't know what services they offer. Years ago I ended up providing services to a company that was involved in morally questionable activities. When I discovered the extent of those activities I stopped providing services. That company was the GEO group.

You're not doing business with any of them.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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How do I know if I'm doing business with them if I don't know what services they offer. Years ago I ended up providing services to a company that was involved in morally questionable activities. When I discovered the extent of those activities I stopped providing services. That company was the GEO group.

You're not doing business with any of them.

See, once again, that's interesting. Especially how you can be so sure of that.

I hate to tell you, but companies like the ones you allude to are incredibly interesting. They're also probably very immoral, and should be known by people who have an interest in infosec.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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You're not doing business with any of them.

See, once again, that's interesting. Especially how you can be so sure of that. I hate to tell you, but companies like the ones you allude to are incredibly interesting. They're also probably very immoral, and should be known by people who have an interest in infosec.

The companies that sell this kind of product aren’t doing it as a side hustle. It’s not like “oh, well yea, Atlassian mostly sell Jira but also they have a team farming viable iPhone data extraction vulns.”

If you were working with one of these companies, you’d know it because it’s their primary/only product/focus.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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See, once again, that's interesting. Especially how you can be so sure of that. I hate to tell you, but companies like the ones you allude to are incredibly interesting. They're also probably very immoral, and should be known by people who have an interest in infosec.

The companies that sell this kind of product aren’t doing it as a side hustle. It’s not like “oh, well yea, Atlassian mostly sell Jira but also they have a team farming viable iPhone data extraction vulns.” If you were working with one of these companies, you’d know it because it’s their primary/only product/focus.

Which is still interesting. I'm not sure why people won't name these companies. tptacek says it's not interesting, but that's pretty obviously not true. Why won't people name these companies? If they're so insulated from normal commerce, and so specialised that they only provide these services, it shouldn't really matter if anyone knew who they were. They're companies. Unless they're obviously engaged in actually illegal activities (which they may well be, but it's currently not possible for me to determine that) they shouldn't be taboo to discuss. I find it weird that people want to claim "oh yeah, they definitely exist, trust me bro, they're all really secretive, but also totally legit" but they won't mention any names.

I can only assume that there are actually some industry or professional repercussions for disclosing any specifics, because otherwise the only other logical explanation for such tight lipped discussion is that people are somewhat afraid to talk about these companies.

Also, Google, Apple, Microsoft, Meta probably have some of the most respected vulnerability research labs in the world. They, despite their many and varied other flaws, tend not to weaponise and profit from said research. I mean, they might, but they also do a pretty good job of actively and responsibly publishing this research.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Didn't you know you also have space lasers? Anyone can be instantly vaporized at any point on Earth. A joke from 1930's Nazi Germany: "Two Jews are sitting on a bench in Nazi Germany. One of them is reading the local Yiddish newspaper. The other is reading Der Sturmer, a Nazi propaganda paper. The former says to the latter, “Why on earth would you read that antisemitic drek?” The other replies, “Well, when I read the…

Israelis are getting oppressed, but it's arabs who do the dieing.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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> Israel is doing settler colonialism to people that had nothing to do with WW2 and the holocaust. If you have a problem with the Germans, take it up with Germany. > [...] it is a common understanding that they are being subjected to a Nazi extermination campaign by people (Christian and Jewish Zionists) claiming the Holocaust made them do it That is not what Israel is doing. Israel is attacking a semi-state that inv…

read up https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/the-holocaust-industry-reflect...

Open his profile and check where he lives. It's pointless.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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read up https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/the-holocaust-industry-reflect...

I'm not going to read an entire book, especially one written by someone I so little respect for, since he lies constantly and is, to put it mildly, biased against Israel. What happened was that the state of Israel accepted reparations from Germany, and used it to build the State. This was controversial for many reasons, and was highly fraught politically. But that doesn't mean "the Zionists stole reparations", that's…

But germany didn't own palestina…

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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You're not doing business with any of them.

See, once again, that's interesting. Especially how you can be so sure of that. I hate to tell you, but companies like the ones you allude to are incredibly interesting. They're also probably very immoral, and should be known by people who have an interest in infosec.

Are you a security agency for some sovereign state in the world? Then you already know who they are. Otherwise: you're not a customer.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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The companies that sell this kind of product aren’t doing it as a side hustle. It’s not like “oh, well yea, Atlassian mostly sell Jira but also they have a team farming viable iPhone data extraction vulns.” If you were working with one of these companies, you’d know it because it’s their primary/only product/focus.

Which is still interesting. I'm not sure why people won't name these companies. tptacek says it's not interesting, but that's pretty obviously not true. Why won't people name these companies? If they're so insulated from normal commerce, and so specialised that they only provide these services, it shouldn't really matter if anyone knew who they were. They're companies . Unless they're obviously engaged in actually il…

https://storage.googleapis.com/gweb-uniblog-publish-prod/doc...

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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And why have I heard about them? I'll give you a hint: It's not because they have a fantastic marketing and PR department. It's because their product kept showing up on the phones of assassinated journalists and imprisoned dissidents. I looked you up a bit. You clearly know this industry. So when you say there are American companies with "more effective" tools than NSO, I have to assume you're not speaking hypothetic…

(No, you've heard about NSO because they're not trying or not good at hiding.)
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