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Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by seattle_spring »

nosefurhairdo wrote: post #424
viraptor wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> on his campaign promises (...) the Project 2025 He never backed that officially though, right? It's just that everyone rational knew what's happening anyway, but otherwise - even the not knowing about it was a lie, not an explicit promise.

He explicitly stated that he was not familiar with the contents of Project 2025 on numerous occasions. This did not stop the media from pushing it as yet another hoax. It is unclear whether anyone has actually read Project 2025 or if it just sounds scary. It's truly remarkable how much honest material there is to criticize Trump with, yet folks insist on repeating blatant lies.

> He explicitly stated that he was not familiar with the contents of Project 2025

Yes, that is the "blatant lie" being discussed.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by lenkite »

vkou wrote: post #394
nostromo wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump is in no way a free market ideologue and has made that very clear. Or are you talking about Elon?

I'd categorize Elon as more of a free speech ideologue who bans any speech that makes him uncomfortable.

What speech that makes him uncomfortable has he banned exactly ? Asking out of curiosity because I see posts on twitter all the time calling him Nazi, blah-blah.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

close04 wrote: post #440
lazide wrote: post #426

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump has been replacing anyone who would realistically force him out with flunkies as his first order of business. No one is getting rid of him in a few years.

His term ends in a few years. At that point he’s either replaced, maybe with the same kind of person (the US people have showed their hand with these elections), or he stays in place somehow. Are you hinting at the second scenario? Then we’ll get to see what US democracy is about, or if those people hoarding guns to fight an undemocratic or abusive government were just overcompensating, as it looks like today.

Trump’s term ends with a high probability of a Democrat being elected to clean up his mess, as happened in 2020 and 2008. He will almost certainly lose congress in the midterm unless he can somehow suspend the election (all bets are off if the constitution falls).

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by watwut »

epicureanideal wrote: post #417
protocolture wrote: post #331

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American labor is low quality and high cost. China is no longer a guarantee of cheap and terrible like it used to be. If america wants to make shit again they need to compete on cost terms and quality terms. Honestly the biggest issue I have seen with US companies trying to manufacture goods is that they tend to only target US customers. Especially at the low end. There must be some quirk with US postage where it is…

> American labor is low quality and high cost. That is the opposite of my experience with software engineers, and my observation of the work ethic of most Americans in a variety of professions makes me think the opposite is true in pretty much every industry. I think "American labor is low quality and high cost" is one of those things people think must be true about some other industry besides the ones they've seen,…

Working a lot of hours and high quality are two orthogonal categories. Frequently at odds.

That being said, topic here is low paid manufacturing where people dont want to work. Not high paid seeked positions. You can't compare them.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by cosmicgadget »

esalman wrote: post #188
cosmicgadget wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc

A lot of people, including me, realized even as early as circa 2018 that he was a nutcase. Imo the point of post hoc ergo should've been when he said zero Covid case by April (2020).

Sure but the authoritarianism outcome was not predestined by simply funding the technologies he invested in. Plenty of eccentric and/or drug-addled billionaires went on to live relatively harmless lives. He could have been a jar-pissing recluse or spent his days pinning the weasel in a Caribbean polycule dormitory or gone on wild John McAfee adventures.

The place we went wrong wasn't incentivizing Tesla, it was allowing the other guy to escape conviction.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by viraptor »

nosefurhairdo wrote: post #424
viraptor wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> on his campaign promises (...) the Project 2025 He never backed that officially though, right? It's just that everyone rational knew what's happening anyway, but otherwise - even the not knowing about it was a lie, not an explicit promise.

He explicitly stated that he was not familiar with the contents of Project 2025 on numerous occasions. This did not stop the media from pushing it as yet another hoax. It is unclear whether anyone has actually read Project 2025 or if it just sounds scary. It's truly remarkable how much honest material there is to criticize Trump with, yet folks insist on repeating blatant lies.

> whether anyone has actually read Project 2025

I don't get what you mean. It's not some secret - it's available for everyone to read. It's also written by people who are all around Trump and who got influential positions from him. It's been talked about for ages. Trump not knowing about it would be extremely weird. (Or if he actually never heard about it, that would mean he's extremely clueless - I'm not sure what's worse for him)

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by lenkite »

rco8786 wrote: post #66
socalgal2 wrote: post #34

I don't know if it's the same people but many of the comments here seem the opposite of the comments on EUs rules where people say they're targeting specific companies and comments say "no, the rules are such than all companies over a certain size are covered". If the rule is 85% domestic than any company can do it. I'm not saying the tariffs are good. Only that their point is to get things made domesticly

Just a coincidence that the only company that currently fits the criteria is Tesla then. Everyone else can start rearranging their supply chains and building new factories to comply. Easy peasy right? Be up and running in a few weeks, at most, right?

Curious - If this exact act had been done under the Obama or Biden administrations, would you still hold the same opinion ? Tesla was still a love child at that time.

Many companies like Honda are now moving part of domestic production to the US.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by moomin »

chipsrafferty wrote: post #373
iav wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Items that contain multiple elements get the highest tariff rate of any of them - a glass window with aluminum frame gets the aluminum rate because it’s the highest one.

But how do you determine where to divide objects into components?

I feel like the real answer is "This is why trade negotiations take so long". But when you're making up policy on the fly, who knows?

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by lazide »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #443
close04 wrote: post #440

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His term ends in a few years. At that point he’s either replaced, maybe with the same kind of person (the US people have showed their hand with these elections), or he stays in place somehow. Are you hinting at the second scenario? Then we’ll get to see what US democracy is about, or if those people hoarding guns to fight an undemocratic or abusive government were just overcompensating, as it looks like today.

Trump’s term ends with a high probability of a Democrat being elected to clean up his mess, as happened in 2020 and 2008. He will almost certainly lose congress in the midterm unless he can somehow suspend the election (all bets are off if the constitution falls).

It’s like none of you saw Jan 6th, or his pardoning of folks at all. It’s seriously bizarre.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by wisty »

Suppafly wrote: post #384
AlotOfReading wrote: post #123

I'm not sure even Tesla unambiguously qualifies here. Looking at the NHTSA part 583 list for 2025 [0], none of the Tesla vehicles have a "US" content higher than 75% (which I think includes Canada?). The highest is the base Kia EV6 at 80%. This seems to be coming from the Kogod manufacturing index. That's a more qualitative ranking that attempts to deal with things like corporate structures rather than just origin li…

My immediate assumption was that Tesla lies and probably has more offshore content than most of their competitors.

I'd just assume they picked whatever definitions they needed to make Tesla exempt.
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