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Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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I sincerely hope US and Canada can regrow some manufacturing capacity. I think the only way to do it is by a one-two punch, and middle class like me are going to seriously get hurt, but I still want it done, for the sake of later generations and for a better, safer, more competitive humanity. Safer because a successful reform removes the need of a world war. The one-two punch is: 1) A massive devaluation of housing,…

I was expecting a how-to, not preconditions. It is very hard to devalue assets and jobs that are valuable in fact.

Yeah I think it's very hard. Wealth redistribution is essentially a revolution, and successful revolutions rarely occur before a war with external states.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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I'm unclear on this, but to my understanding if I order of Temu, Aliexpress etc I forfeit any consumer rights that I might have in the country I reside in? E.g. if the cheap stuff burns down my house / takes out my eye [1], there's no one to blame about gross defects / QC oversight? [1] https://www.geekwire.com/2019/lawsuit-ruling-dog-leash-purch...

If you buy from an American store, you can file your claims with the store under American law and everything is easy.

If you import from China, American laws apply to you and Chinese laws apply to the seller. If you get scammed or hurt yourself with a dangerous product, you can try two things: sue the Chinese seller in your home country (they won't turn up if the court even cares enough not to dismiss your case) or sue the Chinese seller in China under Chinese law (good luck with that as a foreigner).

You have rights, but your cheap products come at the cost of having to jump through many hoops to enforce them. I don't think many people will follow through on the paperwork required for a Chinese visa just so they can spend months or longer trying to sue a dropshipper in Shenzen, but you could!

As for gross defects and QC: keep in mind that QC on Chinese websites is done to comply with Chinese standards. What's considered carcinogenic or dangerous in one country may be completely fine to sell in another (see: importing American soda to Europe, if it contains any banned food coloring).

Do note that platforms like Craigslist, eBay, and Amazon are often not considered as the business you're doing business with. The same Chinese seller can be active on Aliexpress and Amazon, and you'll still have to go after the Chinese entity if you want your medical bills paid.

Don't buy foreign if you want to be able to enforce your local laws. Buying locally is more expensive, but at least you have an address to sue.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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>1) A massive devaluation of housing, stocks and other similar items. I get how cheap housing can contribute to domestic manufacturing, but cheaper stocks? How does lower NVDA prices help domestic manufacturing? Is it just there to hose the rich?

I think they just drop at the same time. Maybe I'm wrong.

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Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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I sincerely hope US and Canada can regrow some manufacturing capacity. I think the only way to do it is by a one-two punch, and middle class like me are going to seriously get hurt, but I still want it done, for the sake of later generations and for a better, safer, more competitive humanity. Safer because a successful reform removes the need of a world war. The one-two punch is: 1) A massive devaluation of housing,…

> Educate a whole generation that labor is honorable, so that engineers, scientists, technicians and such get more respect (I mean real respect, not the superficial one nowadays) than lawyers and bankers.

And people who do real work with their hands around physical objects? What task can a scientist do if you need to build a factory and get lines humming? Scientists are great at optimizing complex processes, but what if there is no process yet?

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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The orders against China, Canada and Mexico all halt a trade exemption, known as “de minimis,” which allows exporters to ship packages worth less than $800 into the U.S. duty free, arguing it has helped Chinese e-commerce companies undercut competitors with lower prices.

I don't mind paying an extra 10% on small electronics imports (mostly ESP32 CPUs and related modules for hobby projects). I mean, I do a bit but I rarely order more than $100 of goods at a time, it's just an annoyance rather than a real problem. I DO mind not getting my orders delivered.

The language of the order getting rid of the exemption seems to reclassify all Chinese post as formal post to get around the exemption.

That means the amount of dues is still calculated as a (fraction of a) percentage, but there is a minimum of about 30 dollars. That means a $10 order of components or LEDs can end up costing you $42 to actually get it through the mail.

When you go beyond those thirty dollars, the rate isn't too steep, though, so you can still order in large quantities.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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I’ve had it for years running 24/7 and nothing happened. You might have gotten a dud.

Bursting into flames shouldn't be possible, that's a LOT worse than a "dud". (Assuming parent isn't exaggerating)

Not exaggerating. I had it for a little over a year. I used it in my bedroom. As usual I started it going and then went into my bathroom to brush my teeth before bed. Partly through brushing my teeth I smelled something burning. I came out and saw the humidifier in flames.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

#447

I sincerely hope US and Canada can regrow some manufacturing capacity. I think the only way to do it is by a one-two punch, and middle class like me are going to seriously get hurt, but I still want it done, for the sake of later generations and for a better, safer, more competitive humanity. Safer because a successful reform removes the need of a world war. The one-two punch is: 1) A massive devaluation of housing,…

> Educate a whole generation that labor is honorable, so that engineers, scientists, technicians and such get more respect (I mean real respect, not the superficial one nowadays) than lawyers and bankers. And people who do real work with their hands around physical objects? What task can a scientist do if you need to build a factory and get lines humming? Scientists are great at optimizing complex processes, but what…

They are in the same group ("and such").

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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We hoped China would grow into a Korea or Japan, instead we got ourselves a Russia.

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It's funny because Trump saw this years ago and the entire point of the tariff is to gain Chinese manufacturing independance.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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>I literally do not know how the electrical and firmware engineers will do their jobs now if we cannot receive packages from China As a software engineer who works closely with electrical and firmware engineers I know what you are saying is completely true. The question is how did we let it go this far? Why has there never been serious Western alternatives to JLCPCB, PCBWay, JLCCNC etc.? Has anyone asked themselves h…

Because there's nowhere in the US like Shenzhen, Guangdong or Hong Kong. Remember how Apple couldn't just pick up and move the production of iPhones to India or Vietnam? You need all the ancillary industries around the production to be there, along with being competitive and commoditized as well. When a supplier has something go wrong a line of manufacturing doesn't go down. You go down the street to the same guy sel…

> You metaphorically need to invent the universe to make it work in the US.

You didnt answer the obvious question of the why things are the way they are now? US used to have their entire electronic supply chain, save from raw materials, in USA in the 70s... So why cant US build its own Shenzhen or Hong Kong? taxes? corporate taxes are relatively low in some US states, infrastructure? US has all the infrastructure needed. Engineers? US claims to have the best universities in the world...

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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post #160

Anyone got a non-intuited, horses-mouth reason why? I suspect (ie, intuit) that its actually an attack on the USPS, not on China. The party of government doesn't like the post office, and this is to teach us not to like the post office either. I guess if they stopped using electric cars, they might like the post office again.

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> China is fucked.

China will encounter economic headwinds, yes.

However china has a functioning and fairly flexible executive that is capable of making long term plans and executing them (see belt and road, debt trapping most of africa's ports and mines).

The US has a completely non-functioning legislature and an executive that is not in control of the president. The Executive does not have a plan past personal power grabs. When the president realises that he's been locked out of the mechanisms that control the executive, then all bets are off.

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