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Re: Nobody cares

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Post by easygenes »

tqi wrote: post #425

Its ironic, because this dude doesn't seem to care enough to even the slightest bit of research to understand why any of these problems he highlights are the way they are, and lazily attributes everything to OTHER people not caring. LEDs last longer, are more energy efficient, and also reduce light pollution because they are more directional[1]. Took me 30 seconds to google. There are enormous design standards for de…

It’s possible to install warm colored LEDs with very little blue light output though. You get all those benefits without giving up the more-suitable-for-night sodium light spectral benefits.

Re: Nobody cares

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Over2Chars wrote: post #49
imgabe wrote: post #38

Man, I've been the engineer in situations like that bike lane and believe me, we care. Usually the engineers care. 99% of the time the contractor had some "value engineering" suggestions that the client was all too happy to take because it saved them a little money up front. As the engineer you can try to explain that it will be shitty, but they ... don't care.

A well known CEO noted that in a failing organization he was trying to devise a turn around plan for that everyone in the organization invariably blamed... the other teams! Not a one said "our team is responsible for our failure". The engineers blamed product, the product people blamed sales, etc. He said he provided this suggestion, "You are of course right (it's the other groups fault, and it might have been so), b…

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Re: Nobody cares

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Post by CuriousRose »

I'm so glad that someone else had the patience and articulation to write this article so that I didn't have to (as a personal venting exercise). My personal takeaway of the mutually shared frustrations in poor design has been apparent since maybe the 1990's onwards. It is very sad to see throwaway consumerism, permeate culture to the point where from an industrial design POV you need to buy vintage or ludicrously expensive appliances to have a beautiful and functional product that is also reliable. In the past decades, companies like Braun were able to bring beauty into the house, where now Temu disposables have taken their place.

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by gs17 »

ipython wrote: post #355
whycome wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey now, you can pay extra for "McDonald's without ads" like you can with Netflix or Amazon Prime or Disney okay.

Actually, in a way this is already true. If you consent to installing their mobile app (which includes god knows what kind of analytics), you are rewarded with at least 20% off all McDonald’s food list prices. So you can pay for “McDonald’s without analytics” by paying list prices in cash at the register. Now, if there was an option when booking a flight to pick a fare class not subjected to the stupid branded credit…

> So you can pay for “McDonald’s without analytics” by paying list prices in cash at the register.

I didn't know they took orders at the register still. I've only been in once (last year) in the past 20 years, but they seemed to insist on kiosk-only. Not sure if the drive-thru is like that too.

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by potatoman22 »

Aeolun wrote: post #392
deeg wrote: post #375

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a friend who sees what he thinks is a problem and starts off with "I don't know why they just didn't...", as if he could come up with a better solution in 2 minutes of thinking than experts in the field. The reality is that he just doesn't know all the competing interests and problems. The article feels the same way.

Knowing that there is a reason just boils down to the same thing. You can overcome the forced working against you if you care enough, but nobody does.

I see this fallacy a lot in the US. I think it's because of our individualism. Attention and hard-work can't overcome everything, we aren't all-powerful beings.

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by nomel »

whycome wrote: post #341
frotty wrote: post #200

100% of the people around me at work care. I wish they didn't, because they're bad at their job and "them caring" puts them as a peer for experts and people who both care AND are competent/experienced via design by committee and inclusion. Their incompetency is explained away as "unique point of view." So perhaps the entire piece is an exercise in overgeneralization, where you assume that everyone has a baseline amou…

Isn't "good enough" the definition of "bare minimum"? That aligns pretty well with "doesn't care"

I've only used "good enough", and have only ever seen it used, when enough margin beyond bare minimum exists to make it "good enough", which requires caring.

I suppose it depends on the personal definition of good enough, but I like to reserve "bare minimum" for those who truly do the minimal work, teetering on line between functional and non-functional.

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by gs17 »

lmz wrote: post #405
whycome wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly? I may not want a site to have my location now, but I may be okay with it in the future. Eg, I’m not in a place where I want my location tagged at the moment.

Next page load aka next link you click. I agree it would be nice to have a "No, don't ask me again for this session".

Brave has an option for "remember this choice until I close this site".

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by willvarfar »

Saying engineers don't care is victim blaming. The way to survive at a company with "blah blah incentives" is to _not care_. You have to stop caring until you have an opportunity to move to another job.

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by tqi »

easygenes wrote: post #441
tqi wrote: post #425

Its ironic, because this dude doesn't seem to care enough to even the slightest bit of research to understand why any of these problems he highlights are the way they are, and lazily attributes everything to OTHER people not caring. LEDs last longer, are more energy efficient, and also reduce light pollution because they are more directional[1]. Took me 30 seconds to google. There are enormous design standards for de…

It’s possible to install warm colored LEDs with very little blue light output though. You get all those benefits without giving up the more-suitable-for-night sodium light spectral benefits.

Agree, but it's more expensive and less energy efficient[1]. Personally, that seems worth it to me [EDIT: "it" being using slightly less efficient lights that are more comfortable for people], but thats a difference in values not in how much I "care" about the problem...

[1] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/streetlights-are-....

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by ikr678 »

paulnpace wrote: post #354
hoosier2gator wrote: post #344

As a physician who does care, I found it interesting that he chose to include doctors in this tirade but then patted himself on the back for squashing bugs quickly and feeling badly about having written buggy code. I know that there are outliers, but in meeting and working with literally hundreds of other physicians at this point in my career, I can count on one hand the doctors who truly do not care. And boy do we f…

My primary care physician will only do video meetings or wait 6 months for in-person appointment. He does not care.

His care does not scale and he has to ration his care between existing patients. For him to give you more care, it will likely come at the expense of someone else's care.

This situation has occurred because somewhere and somewhen else, a chain of other people have not cared and allowed primary care resources to get to this state.

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