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Re: Nobody cares

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The sad part, the "do not care" attitude is infectious. Maybe there is a bright-eyed programmer who just joined and who wants to make UX better. They are full of enthusiasm, but nobody (around them) cares. They are fixing the most annoying bugs that users complained forever about.. but they is not recognized, because nobody (around them) cares. They hope to show a good example but nobody cares. Instead they get negat…

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You’ve been making commits for four months?

Re: Nobody cares

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I invite the author to work for a large corp or a government and try and improve things. The most supportive people for improvements will be your team. The least supportive will be the higher-level managers. And no, the Director of Transportation is not the real manager. That's the mayor or city council.

Why? They get measured on the sweeping stuff, by the broad demands, and the people who actually pay them (in money or votes).

A better bike ramp that involves user testing but involves a delay that pushes work into the next quarter, changing accounting? That's a problem. I've lived this scenario where user features got axed to ensure all work could be budgeted under a particular quarter. Or a sign? That costs money and also needs approval, perhaps from another department.

Oh, and you are improving one bike ramp? Can't do that without people complaining. Got to improve all of them. So that is now a multi-million dollar project.

In a large org, it often isn't clear who owns overall design control, if anyone.

Lights that are great for drivers but suck for everyone else? That's many things in most cities and that is because drivers are the most vocal (and often the largest) population. Drivers win on everything from parking to infrastructure spending and drivers will tell city council what's on their mind.

For the corporate software I worked on, many users hated it. Tons of complaints. Team agreed. Team created proposal to fix it. Team managers pitched it to those above for the broader roadmap. Management explicitly said they didn't want to waste time on UI as the people paying were not the same as the people using.

Never worked for the DMV, but know a guy who maintains some software for one. What's the priority? Cheap. Cheap, cheap, cheap. Nobody wants to fund the DMV. Nobody wants to pay for technological improvements for it. Nobody wants to pay for staffing. It is where small amounts get shaved off to pay for things people do care about. The guy in charge of the DMV is tasked with keeping costs low.

Re: Nobody cares

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The sad part, the "do not care" attitude is infectious. Maybe there is a bright-eyed programmer who just joined and who wants to make UX better. They are full of enthusiasm, but nobody (around them) cares. They are fixing the most annoying bugs that users complained forever about.. but they is not recognized, because nobody (around them) cares. They hope to show a good example but nobody cares. Instead they get negat…

These people show up, offer trivially incorrect or untenable solutions to the trickiest problems. Rarely do they have the insight that fixes them. Often they do things that introduce more risk.

That's one possibility -

Here's a story of the burnout of one of the GNOME terminal maintainers

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/vte/-/issues/259

In a situation where no amount of effort seems to be enough its really easy to not see the point anymore

Re: Nobody cares

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Everybody cares actually. Obviously the author cares more about investing the time to write this blog post than to take a sledgehammer and some concrete and fix the bike ramp himself. Or he cares to avoid the potential interactions with law enforcement that would result from such ridiculousness.

The problem isn't with people not caring, it's that the deepest affections of the heart are selfish - incurvatus in se (curved inwards).

"Our nature, by the corruption of the first sin, [being] so deeply curved in on itself that it not only bends the best gifts of God towards itself and enjoys them (as is plain in the works-righteous and hypocrites), or rather even uses God himself in order to attain these gifts, but it also fails to realize that it so wickedly, curvedly, and viciously seeks all things, even God, for its own sake." - Martin Luther

Re: Nobody cares

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Everybody cares actually. Obviously the author cares more about investing the time to write this blog post than to take a sledgehammer and some concrete and fix the bike ramp himself. Or he cares to avoid the potential interactions with law enforcement that would result from such ridiculousness. The problem isn't with people not caring, it's that the deepest affections of the heart are selfish - incurvatus in se (cur…

Everybody cares, but not enough to make a difference

Re: Nobody cares

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Man, I've been the engineer in situations like that bike lane and believe me, we care. Usually the engineers care. 99% of the time the contractor had some "value engineering" suggestions that the client was all too happy to take because it saved them a little money up front. As the engineer you can try to explain that it will be shitty, but they ... don't care.

Re: Nobody cares

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I relate to this a lot. Someone is referring to this take as “bullshit” contrasting the experience of the average worker to a software engineer. I’d argue the average worker is in the position they’re in because of a whole chain of people that couldn’t be bothered to care. Our government has let go of its principles, because no one in charge could be bothered to give a fuck. There’s a certain nihilism to life in the…

> I’d argue the average worker is in the position they’re in because of a whole chain of people that couldn’t be bothered to care.

This is a lame excuse. My caring is a choice I make. I can choose to care whether you care or not. I make the choice for myself.

Re: Nobody cares

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> Have been to the DMV? It sucked? There is a human being whose job it is to be in charge of the DMV. They do not care that it sucks. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I've actually never had a bad experience at the DMV here in Seattle. The staff have been efficient, fast, and friendly every time.

I've had wonderful experiences at DOL offices (which are 3rd party contracted), not so much at the DMV. Which one are you going to? Honestly worth a drive (or bus ride, depending on the issue) to go to a a decent one
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