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Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by hx8 »

viraptor wrote: post #281
Lammy wrote: post #94

Speculating here but it feels like part of Nintendo's beef is the popularity of PC form factors that look like a Nintendo Switch. Most notably the Steam Deck but there are loads of them. In 2022 Nintendo starting taking down Youtube videos showing Steam Decks running Switch games: https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-started-blocking-v... And last year went after Dolphin (GCN/Wii emulator) as soon as they announ…

It would be amazing if Valve stepped up with legal funds/protection there. They do get money from people buying SteamDecks for emulation and well... free publicity if they take on Nintendo.

I don't think this is likely. There is a convincible future where Nintendo publishes more and more games outside of their hardware platforms, so Valve needs to keep good business relations with Nintendo.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by Acrobatic_Road »

throwaway48r7r wrote: post #224
Acrobatic_Road wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if it would be possible to develop a Switch emulator without the ability to decrypt any games. Users would be expected to bring already-decrypted games, which they could decrypt via an "unrelated" program.

You already have to provide your own encryption keys to the emulator.

Yes, but then it (presumably) decrypts the games for you, which could violate the DMCA.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by throwaway345353 »

GrabbinD33ze69 wrote: post #91

Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Nintendo caught using an open source emulator for the switch, without any sort of credit to the authors after suing? If so, I have no empathy for them.

You're probably thinking of this:

https://www.eurogamer.net/did-nintendo-download-a-mario-rom-...

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by accurrent »

Kranar wrote: post #185
codedokode wrote: post #95

> As a result, Nintendo ... is demanding that the Yuzu emulator is shut down. When corporations like Uber violate multiple laws, do they get shut down? When Amazon treats its employees poorly, does it get shut down? When Google forbids manufacturers to pre-install competitor apps, does it get shut down? Well, it seems that as long as copyright is not infringed, everything is ok. Also it seems to me that Nintendo migh…

There were tons and TONS of ride sharing apps that got shut down as Uber was becoming popular due to regulatory violations: Sidecar, Juno, Poparide, Heetch, Taxify, and there are probably hundreds that got shut down in local markets. Plenty of companies get shut down for regulatory violations, or employee mistreatment. Pointing at some extreme outliers is nothing more than a form of selection bias.

The issue is large corporations tend to go unharmed.This is in part because of the fallout from people loosing there jobs. Imagine all of google or uber getting fired. How many people loose livelihoods.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by dartharva »

deminature wrote: post #238

I wish they'd offer a legal avenue to play Switch games at 4K/60 instead of 720p/20-30. Anyone looking for a higher fidelity experience than the 2017 Switch hardware is able to provide is forced to use software like Yuzu to enable it. Even Sony has started porting their crown jewel games to PC to enormous commercial success, allowing players with high-end hardware to legally enjoy a higher fidelity experience, but Ni…

Emulators are a legal avenue.

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Post by jzebedee »

crtasm wrote: post #382
robbiet480 wrote: post #3

I knew that Patreon would bite them some day. Any time money comes into a "offensive" open source project, whoever feels they are getting hurt can make a claim a lot easier. Somewhat surprised they haven't yet sued Ryujinx (the other Switch emulator project) for also having a Patreon.

Patreon about page begins: >yuzu is a Nintendo Switch emulator capable of running many games! With yuzu, you can play such games as Pokémon Sword & Shield, Xenoblade Chronicles 3, Super Mario Odyssey, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Pokémon Legends: Arceus, Fire Emblem:Three Houses, and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate — on your PC. Regardless of the legal status of an emulator, I wouldn't list game titles if I were writing that copy…

It's not illegal to play games that you already purchased and own. Piracy is just a convenient scapegoat to hobble emulation.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by ShamelessC »

spoiler wrote: post #425
ShamelessC wrote: post #419

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> better than on the Switch That simply isn’t true. Downvotes don't make the statement magically more true.

I played BotW on my friend's Switch, and loved it, but didn't really wanna buy another console. So I went through the tribulations of setting it up on the Deck (pro tip: use EmuDeck, I didn't know about it back then). I don't know about better, but for me it felt the same as the Switch! The only slight confusion thing was button labeling, but it's quick to get used to. I'd also say the slightly bigger screen is nicer…

I'm not saying it's not possible. I'm saying it isn't universally better on every game the Switch can play. In fact, many games simply won't run.

But yes, you can (and should!) run the popular titles such as Mario Odyssey and BotW/TotK.

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Post by dartharva »

gamepsys wrote: post #46

This is truly awful for the gaming community at large. If this case makes a ruling then it will most likely have an impact on all emulation projects. If Nintendo decides to sue your open source project, how do you mount a legal defense?

Awful for the emulation team? Yes.

Awful for the gaming community at large? Eh, Nintendo products are not as dominating as you think. It is only available in select countries and has a hundred million users at best. Compare that to PC and mobile gaming, it is almost negligible.

Though it would indeed be problematic if American courts manage to establish a precedent criminalizing emulators. That is indeed a real threat; American courts are not known for robustness or integrity.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

theultdev wrote: post #5

This is a pretty big case to watch. Are there any cases of emulators being sued successfully? A user being able to provide keys and a rom from which they could own or be homebrew doesn't seem to violate copyright to me. edit: seems the consensus is once via legal fund attrition, but the case went to the emulator authors in the end.

> Are there any cases of emulators being sued successfully?

Sony lost all their cases in the past. They claimed they infringed copyright when copying PS1 BIOS for reverse engineering purposes, court ruled that was fair use as it was necessary to gain access to the unprotected elements of the console. The other case was some bullshit about advertising, they had the audacity to claim screenshots violated their copyrights. They lost in court but won in the market by bankrupting their competitors.

Who knows what's gonna happen in 2024 though? Felony contempt of business model seems quite well entrenched at this point. Company puts "IP" into their product and suddenly they get to control what you do with it and it's illegal for you to resist in any way.

Common sense says emulators are alternative compatible implementations of the original hardware which increases consumer choice. People should have every right to make an emulator, doesn't matter if it's an old console or one that's just been released. Emulators are competitors to Nintendo. If they don't like it then they should drop their "exclusives" nonsense and start releasing games on PC where they belong with better graphics and performance and all the bells and whistles that emulators provide.

Who knows what these courts are gonna decide though. The copyright industry basically buys these laws anyway, there's no reason to believe they will rule favorably to the consumer.

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