Friend of mine runs a drone photography business (think instagram people on vacation or house photography for real estate). The city requires he hire an off duty cop for $100/hr to “manage the set” and the minimum time per engagement for this rent-a-racketeer service is four hours. The shoots are usually about 30 minutes.
This ordinance sounds like it was created to discourage people from flying drones and photographing residents without their permission. If I had to guess, some hobbyists probably tried to claim what they were doing was business-related. So, the city decided to set a high bar.
Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security
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#442Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Racism still plays a big part in the Floyd story even if this is true What makes you think that?
Just a general tendency of all excessive violence always(ish, I can think of one exception) happening to be against colored people?
I see I'm getting downvoted here by the typical good dogs, but this has always bothered me about the incident. The racism was presented to us by the media with no explanation, and most people just took it to be fact. No curiosity, no convincing required. I've asked several people, nobody is able to make a case that's even remotely compelling, similar to how you failed to do it here.
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#443Before you hire off-duty police for private security, shop around a little. In the past, some concert promoters have hired the Hells Angels for security at a considerable discount.
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#444Earlier quoted context omitted.
While I normatively agree with you that that’s the way it should work, that isn’t how these things go. This kind of pseudo corruption is extremely common because it’s easy to make shitty arguments that pass first inspection (oh we need the police there for public safety, think of the children, oh a bird! look over there!). They drag it out into a years long appeals process where they grind the plaintiff down and even…
Tell us the city or you are just talking nonsense on the internet. I can describe a 1000 plausible but untrue scenarios.
while the article i reference is from ~2008[0], as an LA resident living in Hollywood, i see examples of retired LAPD guys every week "guarding" film sets even in 2023:
Such talk has angered Todd -- who estimates that he makes $100,000 a year working on film sets -- and the other 150-odd retired cops who have the required LAPD-issued permits to assist movie and TV productions.
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Melissa Patack, a vice president of the Motion Picture Assn. of America, said a wholesale change from retired to off-duty, active LAPD officers would seriously undermine the ability of directors and producers to stay on schedule and budget. Retired officers, who are not subject to the LAPD’s strict overtime limits, can remain on set for the typical 12- to 16-hour days. Patack imagines a scenario where producers instead would have to hire multiple crews of off-duty police officers and disrupt shoots to switch them.
why on earth is there a REQUIREMENT that a film set's producers hire one of retired 150 LAPD officers? based on my many viewings of these ex-LAPD guys, all they do is lounge around on their motorcycles -- not materially different behavior than a regular security person who similarly lounges around, yet is presumably paid much less than an ex-LAPD officer.
it's not just the cops that are corrupt, it's the people who require you to hire them.
[0] https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-may-16-me-films...
edited because i messed up the formatting.
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#445Earlier quoted context omitted.
One theory I read is that Floyd and Chauvin were part of the same counterfeiting ring operating out of that club, and Chauvin murdered Floyd in order to keep him quiet. (Recall that Floyd was originally arrested for suspected use of a counterfeit $20 bill.) I think maybe part of the idea was that nightclubs are interesting to counterfeiters because they deal with so much cash. (Racism still plays a big part in the Fl…
> Racism still plays a big part in the Floyd story even if this is true What makes you think that?
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#446I'm constantly surprised that the US allows off-duty police to "moonlight" as security. What is worse, many states seem to allow them to wear both their uniform and retain their police powers, whilst being paid in a private capacity. Which other countries allow this?
Moonlighting isnt the problem. Workers arent slaves and should be able to work elsewhere when they arent on the clock. Cities legally requiring people to hire moonlighting cops IS the problem.
The moonlighting cop is still a cop even if off-duty, still has arrest powers and is authorized to use deadly force even while working the second "security" job.
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#448Earlier quoted context omitted.
Moonlighting isnt the problem. Workers arent slaves and should be able to work elsewhere when they arent on the clock. Cities legally requiring people to hire moonlighting cops IS the problem.
Cops are different in that they are always on the job. If they see a crime happening, they are obligated to intervene even if they are off duty (probably with some reasonable exceptions, e.g. they aren't going to be writing parking tickets). The moonlighting cop is still a cop even if off-duty, still has arrest powers and is authorized to use deadly force even while working the second "security" job.
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#449If you find these corruption allegations hard to believe, I lived on the South Side of Chicago in the late 90s, and cops there expected to eat for free wherever they went and blew through stop signs and red lights like they weren't even there. (I have never seen this kind of police behavior anywhere else I've lived, which includes downtown Seattle.) Oh, and I had a detective tell me once (after they'd found the guy w…
of course, similar things happen pretty much everywhere else, but usually not so egregiously.
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#450Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just a general tendency of all excessive violence always(ish, I can think of one exception) happening to be against colored people?
You're asking me to believe that this man feels a certain way and committed a racist murder based on a general tendency? Even if I grant you the ridiculous premise that this tendency is real, that line of thinking isn't close to sound. I see I'm getting downvoted here by the typical good dogs, but this has always bothered me about the incident. The racism was presented to us by the media with no explanation, and most…
There were hours and hours and hours of explanation. You just decided that you didn't like the explanation and decided to ignore the facts. Assuming you're asking in good faith which is extremely doubtful. You're being downvoted because the murder happened 3 years ago, Chauvin was convicted by a jury of his peers, and its not worth anyone's time to explain it personally to someone who is "just asking questions". You take the time and do your own research.