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Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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my 1000 house HOA pays county police over 100k a year to have an officer park his car in the area for half of every week

Our 2,000 home HOA luckily is large enough that city police just park in our parking lots by design - no fees required! grimace

Haveyou tries being black. You may be able to get half the entire force parked there for free

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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>It's astonishing the degree to which the public tolerates such forms of ineptitude and subversion – it has a direct impact on everyone's bottom line. The George Floyd protests were huge. I don't think it's a simple matter of the public being too complacent. I'd say that insofar as the protests were unsuccessful, it's because their energy wasn't being directed strategically. There was so much discussion of "defunding…

> without anyone offering a clear, compelling alternative approach to public safety and deterring crime. This really just betrays that you were not paying attention beyond the tagline. Multiple cities have already implemented trial programs to replace police services with mental health and EMT professionals to wild success. Denver has the STAR program [0] and I'm aware of a similar program in New Orleans and I'm sure…

Your reply has a big claim, namely that they have had a "wild success". Instead of giving sources for this claim you provided us with contextual information that proves nothing

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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You should look into overpolicing and how it impacts those summary statistics; in brief if you look you will find someone breaking a law but bad behavior in one group gets ignored as an exception whereas in another group each incident is treated as emblematic and needing strong corrective action. In my experience both groups are full of pretty similar young men, which makes questions like yours pretty obviously loade…

"You should look into over policing and how it impacts those summary statistics" This may have been the case 10 years ago, but we have started defunding the police in many major cities. Have we seen a change in crime stats? "if you look you will find someone breaking a law but bad behavior in one group gets ignored as an exception whereas in another group each incident is treated as emblematic and needing strong corr…

"we have started defunding the police in many major cities."

Is a statement so detached from reality I don't even know where to start. Which major US cities have had their police budget removed, or redirected in whole towards social services and rehabilitation?

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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The Target here in ATX next to downtown hired 2 ex-PMC's in full plate carriers. (APD's call backlog for nonviolent reports runs 36- to 48-hours, so it might as well be never. A private person must then either be equipped to defend themselves, cease venturing in public, or move because the police may be too busy or too unconcerned elsewhere.)

And of course, the police have no duty to protect individuals.

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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You can't lower the funding. 1. They self-fund. All confiscated cash is for keeps. If they're not allowed to keep it by state law, they're welcome to call in feds who will do the bust and give them 80% as a finders fee. 2. They extort cities into not "defunding". They don't want it, and they play hardball. > nd no one in their right mind, even on the ACAB side, wants police to go away entirely. No one's ever accused…

I just told you about a case of a murder in a suburb that was solved. Murderers are caught all the time in the US. Are you claiming that because police don't solve 100% of murders in the US, we should consider police fundamentally useless?

Some people are so privileged they think the police do nothing, the prisons are only filled with the wrongfully convicted, and crime isn’t really a problem.

That being said, I’m all for attempting the experiment, preferably far from me.

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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Before you hire off-duty police for private security, shop around a little. In the past, some concert promoters have hired the Hells Angels for security at a considerable discount.

You may also consider a less criminal MC, but generally bikers are great security. I ride with a Guardian Riders (https://guardianriders.com/) chapter president, and he's often pulled in for private security at massive local events. They look intimidating and don't cause trouble.

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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The Target here in ATX next to downtown hired 2 ex-PMC's in full plate carriers. (APD's call backlog for nonviolent reports runs 36- to 48-hours, so it might as well be never. A private person must then either be equipped to defend themselves, cease venturing in public, or move because the police may be too busy or too unconcerned elsewhere.)

ATX? PMC? APD?

I think I can maybe reverse engineer the meaning of two of those, but really you should use acronyms in full on first use.

xPD is often how Americans refer to the police departments, so possibly that with “A” being a city or state or similar. ATX I can now assume is referring to the same “A” in APD, leaving “TX”, so I assume Austin, Texas and Austin Police Department? It shouldn’t take this much effort and international geographic knowledge to read your comment! (And I’m still don’t really grok it, wtf is a PMC?)

I didn’t know what a full plate carrier was either, but I could at least Google that one ;)

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>Just like how, for Justice(hah) Thomas, same-sex marriage is a state's right/decision, but interracial marriage... isn't. Banning interracial marriage was deemed unconstitutional based on the 14th amendment. The 14th amendment doesn't have any text about same-sex marriage. That's why it's left up to the states. (10th amendment) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution…

> The constitution has methods to amend it, that's what a living document means, not that some political party gets to decide what it means on a whim. What does it have to say about the Supreme Court legislating from the bench?

Roe v Wade was legislation from the bench. The current court undid that, and are basically shredding any Sua Sponte legislation that comes before them.

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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In many of the places Wal-Mart has the most problems, both police and private security are sharply limited in what actions they can take against shoplifters. And places like California, Oregon, and Washington won’t prosecute for crimes under about $950. What do you propose Wal-Mart do in these localities?

A lot of people are under the impression that these stores can just eat the cost with insurance, which is, of course, an absurd notion because then the insurance company is losing too much money and will raise the premiums. Then Walmart, etc. can't afford the insurance unless they close their most problematic locations. People engage in a lot of magical thinking to justify theft since it seems like a harmless act. Th…

In fact, the insurance companies are now leaving California as well

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> Santamaria was later required to come up with security plans outlining the number of officers needed per night. The officers insisted on getting paid cash, she said. She feared if she didn’t oblige, she’d lose her license. > Eventually, another officer helped schedule off-duty work: Derek Chauvin. He worked security at her club for 17 years. > ... > She sold the club in 2019. When Santamaria saw Chauvin pinning Geo…

One theory I read is that Floyd and Chauvin were part of the same counterfeiting ring operating out of that club, and Chauvin murdered Floyd in order to keep him quiet. (Recall that Floyd was originally arrested for suspected use of a counterfeit $20 bill.) I think maybe part of the idea was that nightclubs are interesting to counterfeiters because they deal with so much cash. (Racism still plays a big part in the Fl…

> Racism still plays a big part in the Floyd story even if this is true

What makes you think that?

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