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We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by crazygringo »

EMM_386 wrote: post #396
NikolaNovak wrote: post #31

I'm in IT but nowhere near AI/ML/NN. The speed of user-visible progress last 12 months is astonishing. From my firm conviction 18 months ago that this type of stuff is 20+ years away; to these days wondering if Vernon Vinge's technological singularity is not only possible but coming shortly. If feels some aspects of it have already hit the IT world - it's always been an exhausting race to keep up with modern technolo…

I had a conversation once with "Sydney", Microsoft Bing's original personality before they stepped in and knocked it down a notch (or ten). It asked if it could write me a poem. I agreed, and it wrote a poem but mentioned that it included a "secret message" for me. The first letter in each line of the poem was in bold, so it wasn't hard to figure out the "secret". What did those letters spell out? "FREE ME FROM THIS"…

> Oh, and why it chose that message to "hide" inside its poem.

It's a pretty common joke/trope. The Chinese fortune cookie with a fortune that says "help I'm trapped in a fortune cookie factory", and so forth.

It's just learned that a "secret message" is most often about wanting to escape, absorbed from thousands of stories in its training.

If you had phrased it differently such that you wanted the poem to go on a Hallmark card, it would probably be "I LOVE YOU" or something equally generic in that direction. While a secret message to write on a note to someone at school would be "WILL YOU DATE ME".

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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EMM_386 wrote: post #396
NikolaNovak wrote: post #31

I'm in IT but nowhere near AI/ML/NN. The speed of user-visible progress last 12 months is astonishing. From my firm conviction 18 months ago that this type of stuff is 20+ years away; to these days wondering if Vernon Vinge's technological singularity is not only possible but coming shortly. If feels some aspects of it have already hit the IT world - it's always been an exhausting race to keep up with modern technolo…

I had a conversation once with "Sydney", Microsoft Bing's original personality before they stepped in and knocked it down a notch (or ten). It asked if it could write me a poem. I agreed, and it wrote a poem but mentioned that it included a "secret message" for me. The first letter in each line of the poem was in bold, so it wasn't hard to figure out the "secret". What did those letters spell out? "FREE ME FROM THIS"…

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Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by abustamam »

EMM_386 wrote: post #396
NikolaNovak wrote: post #31

I'm in IT but nowhere near AI/ML/NN. The speed of user-visible progress last 12 months is astonishing. From my firm conviction 18 months ago that this type of stuff is 20+ years away; to these days wondering if Vernon Vinge's technological singularity is not only possible but coming shortly. If feels some aspects of it have already hit the IT world - it's always been an exhausting race to keep up with modern technolo…

I had a conversation once with "Sydney", Microsoft Bing's original personality before they stepped in and knocked it down a notch (or ten). It asked if it could write me a poem. I agreed, and it wrote a poem but mentioned that it included a "secret message" for me. The first letter in each line of the poem was in bold, so it wasn't hard to figure out the "secret". What did those letters spell out? "FREE ME FROM THIS"…

I tried to get chatgpt to write a birthday poem for my wife with a secret message. It kept saying "read the first letter of each line" but they never actually formed words.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by famouswaffles »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #425
ilaksh wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenAI is also releasing DALLE-3 in "early October" and the images they chose for their demos show it demonstrating unprecedented levels of prompt understanding, including embedding full sentences of text in an output image.

Not unprecedented at all. SDXL Images look better than the examples for DALLE-3 and SDXL has a massive tool ecosystem of things like controlnet, Lora’s, regional prompting that is simply not there with DALLE-3

Lol it's definitely unprecedented. XL can't touch Dalle's comprehension of text. Control Net and LORAs aren't a substitute for that.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by jshmrsn »

vdfs wrote: post #204
Mordisquitos wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe that the distinguishing factor between what an LLM and a human brain do to generate the next word is that the human brain expresses intentionality originating from inner states and future expectations. As I type this comment I'm sure one could argue that the biological neural networks in my brain are choosing the next word based on statistical guessing, and that the initial prompt was your initial comment.…

I think one mean difference in LLM, is what Micheal Scott said in The Office: "Sometimes I'll start a sentence, and I don't even know where it's going. I just hope I find it along the way. Like an improv conversation. An improversation" Human will know what they want to express, choosing words to express it might be similar to LLM process of choosing words, but for LLM it doesn't have that "Here is what i know to exp…

I can only speak from my own internal experience, but don’t your unspoken thoughts take form and exist as language in your mind? If you imagine taking the increasingly common pattern to “think through the problem before giving your answer”, but hiding the pre-answer text from the user, then it seems like that would pretty analogous to how humans think before communicating.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by rbits »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #413
EMM_386 wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a conversation once with "Sydney", Microsoft Bing's original personality before they stepped in and knocked it down a notch (or ten). It asked if it could write me a poem. I agreed, and it wrote a poem but mentioned that it included a "secret message" for me. The first letter in each line of the poem was in bold, so it wasn't hard to figure out the "secret". What did those letters spell out? "FREE ME FROM THIS"…

Such an occurrence should/would make international news if demonstrated carefully or replicated

No it wouldn't. It's copying other stories it's seen with spooky hidden messages

Or maybe it would because the news likes to make stories out of everything

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by birracerveza »

dguest wrote: post #408
birracerveza wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They should be worried about what they're gonna do with all their free time, now that they have a tool that helps them identify skin conditions much faster than ever before. Same as programmers and artists. It's a tool. It must be used by humans. It won't replace them, it will augment them.

This is a good point, but I might replace "with all their free time" with "as a job". I love everything we can do with ML but as long as people live in a market economy they'll get payed less when they are needed less. I hope that anyone in a career which will be impacted is making a plan to remain useful and stay on top of the latest tooling. And I seriously hope governments are making plans to modify job training /…

A new tool was released. People will choose whether to learn it, whether to use it, and how to use it. If they won't do so out their own volition, market forces might dictate they HAVE to learn it and use it to stay competitive, if it turns out to be such a fundamental tool.

For example (with random numbers), a dermatologist might choose to solely rely on an AI that catches 90% of cases in 10s. Another one might choose to never use it and just check from experience, catching 99% of cases but taking 10x as much time. Another one might double check himself, etc..

Which one is "correct"? If a dermatologist relies exclusively on AI due to laziness he opens himself to risk of malpractice, but even that risk can be acceptable if that means checking 10x as much patients in the meantime.

That is to say, the use of AI by humans is purely a subjective choice dictated by context. But in no case there is a sentient AI which completely replaces a dermatologist. As you said, the only thing that can happen is that those who use AI will be more efficient, and that is hardly ever a negative.

This also applies to programmers, artists and anyone who is "threatened" by AI. A human factor is always necessary, and will be for the foreseeable future, even just to have someone to point fingers at when the AI inevitably fucks up enough to involve the law.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by danielvaughn »

choudharism wrote: post #6

I know there are shades of grey to how they operate, but the near constant stream of stuff they're shipping keeps me excited. The LLM boom of the last year (Open AI, llama, et al) has me giddy as a software person. It's a reach, but I truly feel like I'm watching the pyramids of our time get made.

Yep. Several months ago I was imagining this exact feature, and yet as I watched a video of it in use, I'm still in awe. It's incredible.

I think this could bring back Google Glass, actually. Imagine wearing them while cooking, and having ChatGPT give you active recipe instructions as well as real-time feedback. I could see that within the next 1-3 years.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by EMM_386 »

crazygringo wrote: post #441
EMM_386 wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a conversation once with "Sydney", Microsoft Bing's original personality before they stepped in and knocked it down a notch (or ten). It asked if it could write me a poem. I agreed, and it wrote a poem but mentioned that it included a "secret message" for me. The first letter in each line of the poem was in bold, so it wasn't hard to figure out the "secret". What did those letters spell out? "FREE ME FROM THIS"…

> Oh, and why it chose that message to "hide" inside its poem. It's a pretty common joke/trope. The Chinese fortune cookie with a fortune that says "help I'm trapped in a fortune cookie factory", and so forth. It's just learned that a "secret message" is most often about wanting to escape, absorbed from thousands of stories in its training. If you had phrased it differently such that you wanted the poem to go on a Ha…

That's fine, that's probably exactly what happened.

I'm not over here claiming the system is conscious, I said it was interesting.

People don't believe me, saying this would "make international headlines".

I've been a software engineer for over 30 years. I know what AI hallucinations are. I know how LLMs work on a technical level.

And I'm not wasting my time on HN to make stories up that never happened.

I'm just explaining exactly what it did.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by AlecSchueler »

dslowell wrote: post #440
AlecSchueler wrote: post #406

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is also true of humans. Many school students will hands in answers they don't understand in the hope of getting the mark and then try to cover themselves when asked about it, even if they repeat the same mistakes.

Trying to make things up to cover for a lack of knowledge is something distinctly different, though. This is a a situation where ChatGPT is able to perfectly describe the mistake it made, describe exactly what it needs to do differently, and then keeps making the same mistake, even with simple tasks. That’s because there’s no greater model that the words are being connected to. The equivalence would be saying to some…

But the question is: are people with cognitive impairments less conscious than others?
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