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Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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It's most likely due to the fact they are all electron apps rather than they are doing "something".

> electron apps Which only adds limited overhead to certain cases. Unless they are encoding/decoding video directly in JS...

Correct, teams doesn’t use videotoolbox so it’s software encoding. Probably not directly in javascript per se, it’s probably calling a native library, but it’s hot because teams doesn’t use hardware encoding.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Tangentially related, but a number of telehealth operations with hospitals/therapists/etc... use Zoom -- I suspect because their clients can connect without an app or an account over a browser. When you join a Zoom session over the browser, you don't sign a TOS. And I assume that actual licensed medical establishments are under their own TOS provisions that are compatible with HIPPA requirements. Training on voice-to…

Related to this, anyone know if Zoom has a separate offering for education (universities, schools, etc)? I teach at a university, and not only do we use Zoom for lectures etc, but also for office hours, meetings, etc, where potentially sensitive student information may be discussed. I'm probably not searching for the right thing; all I found was this: https://explore.zoom.us/docs/doc/FERPA%20Guide.pdf

(FERPA is to higher ed in the US what HIPAA is to healthcare.)

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Zoom? A company publicly traded on the Nasdaq and funded in San Jose, CA?

Its CEO has ties to the CCP, development is all done in China. Just because it has a company registered and claims to be founded in San Jose doesn’t mean it’s not a Chinese company.

By that logic, Apple is also a Chinese company.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Interesting when taken together with things like the story from the other day about emerging AI/ML-based acoustic keystroke attacks against, which mentioned being trainable via Zoom calls: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37013704 / https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-acoustic-...

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Why not switch? I've had good experiences with competitors. I don't know if they're as nice for mass meetings instead of one-to-one or small groups, but at least for the chats I've had, there's never been any reason to go to Zoom. (I care more about spyware, privacy, and user sovereignty than AI training.)

Both ends need to switch, and Zoom has become entrenched and that won't happen without legislation or enforcement of existing legislation that makes recording calls illegal in many jurisdictions (user agreements don't make many illegal things legal).

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Tangentially related, but a number of telehealth operations with hospitals/therapists/etc... use Zoom -- I suspect because their clients can connect without an app or an account over a browser. When you join a Zoom session over the browser, you don't sign a TOS. And I assume that actual licensed medical establishments are under their own TOS provisions that are compatible with HIPPA requirements. Training on voice-to…

IANAL, but I did health tech for 10 years and had my fair share of interactions with lawyers asking questions about stuff I built. HIPAA applies to the provider. Patient have no responsibility to ensure the tech used by their care provider is secure or that their medical records don't wind up on Twitter. HIPAA dictates that the care providers ensure that happens by placing both civil and sometimes criminal liability…

Healthcare professionals still use fax precisely because of this.

Analog line fax is HIPAA compliant because it is not "stored"

Using a cloud fax provider will inmediately put you out of compliance for this reason, unless you have a HIPAA compliant cloud fax service, which are rare.

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In the US I don't know a single person that has access to POTS. Discord (with paid nitro) is the gold standard for quality and latency, followed by all the free VoIP apps

I live in the US, and I'm pretty sure everyone I know has a landline, though a good number of them are now digital/fiber/whatever. Some people I know still have multiple landlines, as it's cheaper than paying multiple cell bills if necessary. I know at least one person who used to have call forwarding set up to get calls on their cellphone, but with the current state of marketing calls they probably don't do that any…

I may be too much of a zoomer but I haven't seen a landline in years, nearly a decade actually.

I'm not sure who still has them

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Question: unless you are an anti-AI advocate, why does this matter? Why are we raising pitchforks over this? We routinely sign terms that allow product managers to analyze how we use a product and even use data for aggregation of trends.

Yes, an opt out would be nice, but what bad outcome for anyone personally comes of this?

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Curious for users here: why does using your content to train AI bother you? How is it any more scary than using it to advertise to you for example.

All and any personal information that is used for training might get reproduced later. I am not excited about somebody else asking AI personal questions about me.

So it's a fear for generative AI specifically. Because there are other AI training examples without this concern present.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Tangentially related, but a number of telehealth operations with hospitals/therapists/etc... use Zoom -- I suspect because their clients can connect without an app or an account over a browser. When you join a Zoom session over the browser, you don't sign a TOS. And I assume that actual licensed medical establishments are under their own TOS provisions that are compatible with HIPPA requirements. Training on voice-to…

IANAL but “Zoom for Healthcare” is a business associate under HIPAA and treated as an extension of the provider with some added restrictions. Covered entities (including the EMR and hospital itself) can use protected health information for quality improvement without patient consent and deidentified data freely. Where this gets messy is that deidentification isn’t always perfect even if you think you’re doing it righ…

Haha wow this is a great post. I am a lawyer and you may have solved a problem I recently encountered. So you think this is saying that generic language in the Zoom BAA constitutes permission to de-identify?

Are there examples of healthcare ai chatbots trained on de-id data btw? If you're familiar would love to see.

What's your line of work out of curiosity?

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