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European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Post by scarface_74 »

crabbone wrote: post #386
chongli wrote: post #56

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No, it's batteries too. And water/dust/fluid ingress protection. Modern phones are sealed up pretty tight because users want them to be waterproof. This makes it very difficult to build in replaceable batteries!

What a bunch of crock. I have this new Nokia phone with a replaceable battery. It came with the pin you can use to open it (probably costs a few cents to manufacture, but if I had plenty of time to spare, I could've made one with a sturdy piece of plastic and sandpaper). The "mechanism" that keeps the back panel is just a piece of rubber, probably the same kind you find on hermetically sealing food containers. Also,…

Si few people want their phone to be protected from water?

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Post by scarface_74 »

pjmlp wrote: post #210
chongli wrote: post #56

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No, it's batteries too. And water/dust/fluid ingress protection. Modern phones are sealed up pretty tight because users want them to be waterproof. This makes it very difficult to build in replaceable batteries!

As I keep mentioning, Nokia has been building hardened phones for construction workers, with replacement batteries, for ages, all the way back to their feature phones.

Yes, I am sure people want to carry around ruggedized phones like it’s 2005. I programmed them working in field services.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Post by scarface_74 »

rhaway84773 wrote: post #403
danpalmer wrote: post #284

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Parent commenter, and sure it was opinion, but based in good reasoning. USB-C wasn't the problem, MFi was. The rumours are that Apple's USB-C implementation will be locked down in similar ways, accessory manufacturers will still need to pay Apple to create certified accessories, and data transfer speeds are going to be restricted to Lightning speeds. USB-C everything is nice, but no non-techies I know like it because…

MFI may be THE problem. But we will never know because you can’t even plug in non Apple stuff in the phone because they use a proprietary connector. Once Apple is required to use USB-C and then uses software to block non-MFI connections then the EU will (a) take them to court for trying to undermine the spirit of the legislation (b) if they lose in court pass a new law requiring them to prevent blocking non MFI conne…

Yes, I’m sure Apple is going to block non certified devices in USB C phones just like they block non certified devices in USB C iPads and they don’t support stuff like standard USB devices, video over USB etc.

Oh wait, that’s entirely not the case today.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Post by scarface_74 »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #157
vineyardmike wrote: post #96

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> I don't think replaceable batteries or USB-C requirements restrict the industries ability to move forward. These ultra thin foldable phones probably couldn’t exist with removable batteries. The thinness required to make it comfortable to use would be hard and so would the structural integrity with a removable backplate. It would absolutely restrict durability since it’d make waterproof and dustproofing way more cha…

As long as we are sharing random opinions - my Samsung s2 and s5 were smaller thinner lighter than modern phones, with 3.5mm and replaceable battery and microsd card. And also had gps and wifi and phone. And were ip67 rated. Modern phones are going for sexy, that's all. They are large in every dimension but Impractically thin even though everybody adds another 3mm - 6mm of case anyway because they're sleek to the poi…

> And also had gps and wifi and phone. And were ip67 rated.

Only if the flap covered the ports…

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Post by martin8412 »

Havoc wrote: post #106
martin8412 wrote: post #40

The article is blatantly false. The legislation only applies to batteries above 2kWh

Quick glance at the docs suggests that it is two separate points in the legislation? https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/docs_autres_instituti...

Can you point to what you mean? My understanding is that the regulation only concerns batteries used for transport, e.g electric scooters. Pretty much all vehicles sold as replacements for GHG-emitting vehicles.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Post by martin8412 »

jntvjnvutnuvt wrote: post #138
malermeister wrote: post #41

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How are any of them bad so far?

Having cookies message popup on every website you visit is a good thing?

That's only a requirement if the site you visit wants to track you. They could simply not track you, and then they wouldn't have to show anything.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Post by scarface_74 »

evilos wrote: post #397
tpmoney wrote: post #251

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>but it is enough that many are unwilling to spend that kind of money on a 5 year old phone, versus for $35, it's a low enough amount that many might just stick with their phone and replace the battery, leading to less e-waste. Are there people that find spending $99 on a battery replacement expensive that are really making the decision to replace their whole phone for 5-10x that amount?

My brand new android phone cost me $50, no plan attached or anything like that. Granted, that was a steal but I've never paid more than ~ $300 for my phones and I use them for 3 to 4 years.

My wife and I use to called the cheap slow Android phones that we have our sons when they lost/damage their iPhone - “punishment phones”. They were so slow they were painful.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Post by Keirmot »

roenxi wrote: post #370
unglaublich wrote: post #7

The problem is not really the battery anymore, it's the software mainly. It's all closed source and is often deprecated before the hardware is dead. Then the manufacturer makes it hard to unlock bootloaders; keeps drivers closed source and effectively bricks the device. For recurring sales are the backbone of modern economy so we must force obsolescence. Why would you want to replace a battery in a useless device? Pl…

Is this really [0] the most [1] important issue [2] that the EU should be focusing [3] on? Going by HN traffic, it appears that what the EU is for is to redesign the iPhone to get the details right that techies disagree with Applle on. We live in extreme times with some remarkable challenges - the EU is wasting bandwidth on this triviality. And it isn't a phone manufacturer, it is probably not going to make phones ch…

The EU is not one guy sitting in the office trying to find time to deal with one issue at a time.

It’s an intercontinental organisation with 30.000 workers, 705 elected seats in the EU Parliament, and the European Council that sits the heads of state of every EU member state.

It better be able to deal with more than one subject at a time.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Post by DropInIn »

dingaling wrote: post #423
DropInIn wrote: post #408

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Under your model any author would immediately lose protections unless they could afford the fees.... If you can't see the glaring problems there then there's no hope for you.... But hopefully you immediately recognize that it hurts the least advantaged the greatest while also providing a mechanism for anticompetitive behavior under the guise of following your precept (make the fee high enough and only established aut…

If the IP is commercially viable then it would generate revenue to cover the fees. If it wasn't viable then it would either never be created or would automatically enter the public domain. Currently, if IP is not commercially viable then the author has the choice of not creating it, or creating it and releasing it under CC or just public domain. So essentially the same.

A poor writer who works full time min wage to barely scrape by and writes a masterpiece will not have the funds to cover the fees while waiting to get accepted by a publisher

To assert the model isn't blatantly flawed is absurd

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Post by scarface_74 »

rhaway84773 wrote: post #404
charcircuit wrote: post #232

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Luxury products have luxury repair costs

John Gruber also does this a lot. Compared iPhones to luxury goods like an Hermes bag, or even locked down consoles like Playstationd and XBoxes and wonders why, for example, Apple should be prevented from locking down their App Store but Sony and Microsoft are not. But it’s absolutely not a legitimate comparison. An Hermes bag, or a game console are very specialized devices. A smartphone is almost a necessity to liv…

> John Gruber also does this a lot. Compared iPhones to luxury goods like an Hermes bag,

Gruber does no such thing

https://daringfireball.net/2016/10/iphone_edition

> Especially if you step out of the U.S. to more developing countries, where many people don’t own computers, or have email addresses. Everything they do, from basic transactions, to government IDs, to receiving govt benefits, etc happens on the phone.

And those people aren’t buying iPhones….

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