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Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by anonyfox »

jacquesm wrote: post #432
mkmk3 wrote: post #344

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Could also be the advantage of a unified market helps US startups scale faster, maybe someone else can speak to that better. Its been influential where Ive worked, at least. I also think at least US tech has significantly larger firms, but I dont think thats directly in line with societal good. Seems pretty fucking cancerous to me. Cant speak to industries outside of software though.

This is the key point. The single unified market with 300+ million people speaking the same language is the advantage that will make all the other ones more or less irrelevant.

This factor is dimishing in importance with the absurdly increasing wealth gap.

Who cares about this big majority of people that can’t afford stuff?

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Post by tlocke »

throwawaylinux wrote: post #352
tlocke wrote: post #278

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I agree with a lot of what you write, but in my experience in the UK there can be instances where money from the the wealthy has been used for the common good. For example, until 1945 only the rich could afford to educate their children, but the government decided to use taxpayers' money to provide free education for every child up to the age of 16. It was a utopian idea, and when it was first suggested most people s…

> I agree with a lot of what you write, but in my experience in the UK there can be instances where money from the the wealthy has been used for the common good. For example, until 1945 only the rich could afford to educate their children, but the government decided to use taxpayers' money to provide free education for every child up to the age of 16. It was a utopian idea, and when it was first suggested most people…

So I think there's a distinction between wealth and happiness. Amongst the aristocracy I'm sure there is a lot of misery. I think we've got a good chance of ensuring material abundance for everyone on the planet. Whether those people will be happy is a different question.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by [deleted] »

Dma54rhs wrote: post #423
danjac wrote: post #218

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3. Look forward to an awesome new job after your current one is made obsolete. You do realize that "awesome new job" will require years of training and experience? Enjoy working at the Amazon Fulfilment Center in the meantime (until of course that's automated too).

Its been like that forever. Factory workers had to adapt when the jobs went to Asia. I don't see how comfortable office guys should get any other treatment. It used to be learn to code then maybe learn to weld or plumb it something that is harder to automate away.

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Post by rhn_mk1 »

krona wrote: post #395
rhn_mk1 wrote: post #386

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I agree with the loss of understanding being a bad thing, but I cannot mourn the loss of creativity. Programming is a core part of our society and infrastructure, yet it's still one like a craft rather than engineering. Creativity should not be part of infrastructure efforts on a level beyond embellishments and experiments.

> Creativity should not be part of infrastructure efforts on a level beyond embellishments and experiments. You could say the same about architecture, but only modern architects think that way, because they were brainwashed by fashion.

I do say the same about architecture, but with added nuance: the Sagrada Familia is creative in form, but not in function. It functions as a regular cathedral (or at least an art museum). The creativity is there, but it is subservient to the basic functional goals of structural integrity and fitness for humans to visit it.

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Post by JanneVee »

jeppester wrote: post #422
JanneVee wrote: post #413

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> I still think you will have to be a good developer to understand if the solution you get is good, but is that even going to matter when you can just ask again and try again? I think there will be lots of code bases that no-one really understands, but that it won't matter much. Really? If you have a million dollar bug because of one edge case and you are going to go to your AI and ask it to try again?

I think that's going to be a very likely scenario. And the AI will very likely be able to fix the issue. I just don't want to work that way, as what I enjoy most about programming is understanding things.

Then you are in the wrong space of programming if you want to continue working. AI will improve over time and the scenario I described is going to be a thing of the past, but it won't go as fast as people expect because it is a question of trust and saving that hypotetical money by actually doing the work or at least understanding the output of AI.

I've experimented with both Copilot and GPT and I've gotten some nasty UB and even known security issues. Just looking at some of the GPT output lacking exceptions and errors checking that is clearly trained on tutorials. It will improve over time but currently it is not as good as people say it is.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by lysecret »

Fascinating, this reminds me a lot of a conversation I had about 4 years ago with a translator, they were working at a translation company which just introduced AI. And their initial implementation of AI looked like this: We give you an initial translation and then you modify it. The thing is this turned the translator from a "creator" to an "editor" and they absolutely hated it. Back then, the power was in the hand of the labor (not the company) so the company actually modified it in a way such that it was completing and recommending things for you but gave you the control of the whole thing. This is much easier to imagine with text, but there might be a way to give people the creative control, even with these new tools.

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Post by habibur »

elforce002 wrote: post #437

The discussion is creating 3 groups: First group is sure AI will be an enabler and it won't replace them; The second group is saying AI won't replace them at least in the near future (1~10 years); Then we have the third group, which is basically the sentiment the op is living rn: AI is taking away their hopes, dreams, and livelihood. Now, I think we'll see the strongest counterculture in human history against AI and…

And then industrial revolution didn't take out jobs, rather created more. So did computers in the 80s and 90s.

I remember typesetters in our locality were protesting in the 80s that computers were taking off their jobs. They started something like "burn the computers" movement.

More people were later employed as composers than there were typesetters.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

MonkeyClub wrote: post #376
Mistletoe wrote: post #359

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This is fascinating. I can’t imagine why someone would go to the trouble to do all that for a comment.

The irony of using a LLM to write a text that complains of the pervasiveness of automated tooling for web design is hard to miss. But perhaps it’s just that the author has internalized copywriting formulas to a degree that their text appears machine generated?

Or Reddit. Let's not forget what LLMs are trained on. It's not just Wikipedia and some official text corpora, it's Reddit dumps and other regular Internet conversations. If you learned how to write English on-line, there's a chance you've internalized a style similar to how LLMs often respond.

(In fact, I often feel like I sound too much like ChatGPT myself.)

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Post by tgv »

pharmakom wrote: post #429
sjaak wrote: post #131

What happens to us when AI becomes better than us at every mental task? Ignoring the economic factors, what does that mean for our self worth? If we know it’s easier to ask a machine to do it, will we stop doing everything? Can we reframe our purpose and just be content living? (Above quote from: https://twitter.com/iamharaldur/status/1639368422763970562 )

We will become a leisure society. Honestly that sounds great to me.

We will become a terribly impoverished society, with the unemployed fighting over scraps of food. There is no realistic path towards "a leisure" society, save for a world revolution.
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