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Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by johnfn »

JW_00000 wrote: post #410
johnfn wrote: post #383

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How is this hyperbolic fantasy? We've already done this once - without the help of large language models[1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_flash_crash

Doesn't that show exactly that this problem is not related to LLMs? If an API allows millions of transactions at the same time, then the problem is not an LLM abusing it but anyone abusing it. And the fix is not to disallow LLMs, but to disallow this kind of behavior. (E.g. via the "circuit breakers" introduced introduced after that crash. Although whether those are sufficient is another question.)

> then the problem is not an LLM abusing it but anyone abusing it

I think that's exactly right, but the point isn't that LLMs are going to go rogue (OK, maybe that's someone's point, but I don't think it's particularly likely just yet) so much as they will facilitate humans to go rogue at much higher rates. Presumably in a few years your grandma could get ChatGPT to start executing trades on the market.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by nwienert »

chatmasta wrote: post #418
jehb wrote: post #370

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> The faster we build the future, the better. Why? Getting to "the future" isn't a goal in and of itself. It's just a different state with a different set of problems, some of which we've proven that we're not prepared to anticipate or respond to before they cause serious harm.

When in human history have we ever intentionally not furthered technological progress? It's simply an unrealistic proposition, especially when the costs of doing it are so low that anyone with sufficient GPU power and knowledge of the latest research can get pretty close to the cutting edge. So the best we can hope for is that someone ethical is the first to advance that technological progress. I hope you wouldn't ad…

We have a ton of protection laws around all sorts of dangerous technology, this is a super naive take. You can't buy tons of weapon technology, nuclear materials, aerosolized compounds, pesticides. These are all highly regulated and illegal pieces of technology for the better.

In general the liberal position of progress = good is wrong in many cases, and I'll be thankful to see AI get neutered. If anything treat it like nuclear arms and have the world come up with heavy regulation.

Not even touching the fact it is quite literal copyright laundering and a massive wealth transfer to the top (two things we pass laws protecting against often), but the danger it poses to society is worth a blanket ban. The upsides aren't there.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by wahnfrieden »

jimkleiber wrote: post #389
huijzer wrote: post #266

Based on the speed at which OpenAI is shipping new products and assuming that they use their own technology, I'm starting to get more and more convinced that their technology is a superpower. Timeline of shipping by them (based on https://twitter.com/E0M/status/1635727471747407872?s=20 ): DALL·E - July '22 ChatGPT - Nov '22 API's 66% cheaper - Aug '22 Embeddings 500x cheaper while SoTA - Dec '22 ChatGPT API. Also 10x…

Yeah, I'd be really curious to hear how much people within OpenAI use their tools to create and ship their code. That would be quite a compelling testimony, and also help me feel more clear, because I've been quite confused at how quickly things have been going for them.

what makes you think they are leaders at applying the tech they create?

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by 93po »

CrackpotGonzo wrote: post #407
fandorin wrote: post #287

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I was considering doing the same (giving notice) and I'm doing similar things as you (product mgmt). What's your plan "to focus your career on what's happening in this field"?

As a previous startup founder, now marketer, i’m also going in all in on reinventing myself. Can we start a group to support each other through this new phase?

Made a subreddit here that I'll post in if you want to join: https://old.reddit.com/r/aishift/

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by 93po »

teetertater wrote: post #432
CrackpotGonzo wrote: post #407

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As a previous startup founder, now marketer, i’m also going in all in on reinventing myself. Can we start a group to support each other through this new phase?

I also quit my job three months ago for the same reason and would gladly join the group!

https://old.reddit.com/r/aishift/

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by drusepth »

nextworddev wrote: post #376
doctoboggan wrote: post #83

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Honestly I suspect for anyone technical `langchain` will always be the way to go. You just have so much more control and the amount of "tools" available will always be greater. The only think that scares me a little bit is that we are letting these LLMs write and execute code on our machines. For now the worst that could happen is some bug doing something unexpected, but with GPT-9 or -10 maybe it will start hiding b…

Unpopular Opinion: Having used Langchain, I felt it was a big pile of spaghetti code / framework with poor dev experience. It tries to be too cute and it’s poorly documented so you have to read the source almost all the time. Extremely verbose to boot

In a very general sense, this isn't different from any other open vs walled garden debate: the hackable, open project will always have more functionality at the cost of configuration and ease of use; the pretty walled garden will always be easier to use and probably be better at its smaller scope, at the cost of flexibility, customizability, and transparency.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by bulbosaur123 »

jehb wrote: post #370
chatmasta wrote: post #353

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Pshhh... I think it's awesome. The faster we build the future, the better. What annoys me is this is just further evidence that their "AI Safety" is nothing but lip-service, when they're clearly moving fast and breaking things. Just the other day they had a bug where you could see the chat history of other users! (Which, btw, they're now claiming in a modal on login was due to a "bug in an open source library" - anyo…

> The faster we build the future, the better. Why? Getting to "the future" isn't a goal in and of itself. It's just a different state with a different set of problems, some of which we've proven that we're not prepared to anticipate or respond to before they cause serious harm.

> Why?

Because it's the natural evolution. It has to be. It is written.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by 93po »

heliophobicdude wrote: post #342
93po wrote: post #178

Holy shit. Ignore the silly third party plugins, the first party plugins for web browsing and code interpretation are massive game changers. Up to date information and performing original research on it is huge. As someone else said, Google is dead unless they massively shift in the next 6 months. No longer do I need to sift through pages of "12 best recipes for Thanksgiving" blog spam - OpenAI will do this for me an…

Hey 93po, can you please temporarily add your contact details in your bio, I would love to write you and regularly check in on your career pivot! I'm also interested as well!

I appreciate the interest. However I don't really want my spicy and off the cuff commenting on this account to be tied to my real identity, because although my believes are genuine, they are often ones I wouldn't express in person because they're unpopular and ostracizing.

That said, I'll post in this new subreddit anonymously if you want to join and follow: https://old.reddit.com/r/aishift/

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by xyzzy123 »

nextworddev wrote: post #376
doctoboggan wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly I suspect for anyone technical `langchain` will always be the way to go. You just have so much more control and the amount of "tools" available will always be greater. The only think that scares me a little bit is that we are letting these LLMs write and execute code on our machines. For now the worst that could happen is some bug doing something unexpected, but with GPT-9 or -10 maybe it will start hiding b…

Unpopular Opinion: Having used Langchain, I felt it was a big pile of spaghetti code / framework with poor dev experience. It tries to be too cute and it’s poorly documented so you have to read the source almost all the time. Extremely verbose to boot

Yep, if you look carefully a lot of the demos don't actually work because the LLM hallucinates tool answers and the framework is not hardened against this.

In general there is not a thoughtful distinction between "control plane" and "data plane".

On the other hand, tons of useful "parts" and ideas in there, so still useful.

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