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IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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There is a waste over estimation on how large SpaceX government contracts are. You are ignoring that Airbus is also getting additional government contracts. Arianespace gets massive infrastructure subsidy, they are gone get at least 5 billion all said and told for Ariane 6, and that does not cover the last 20 years of sub-component level development for things like the engine and the solid fuel. Lots of the testing a…

>Even in the 2010s they mostly launched Russian rockets developed in the 1960s. Is that correct? Are/were Arianespace designs based on Russian rockets? I know that the US used Russian engines for years.

No, Arianespace literally launches and markets the Soyuz. So basically using European company to sell a Russian rocket in the international market.

Basically Ariane 5 was only worth flying for double GEO launches. That was Okish because this was during a time period where there were a pretty decent amount of GEO launches. Europe had the tiny Vega rocket as well.

However between those two things the Russian Soyuz launched by Arianespace and Russian Proton rocket were successful.

> Are/were Arianespace designs based on Russian rockets?

Europes own rockets, like Ariane 5 and Vega are not meaningfully derived from Russian designs. The are more a product of copying from the post-Apollo, Shuttle area in US space flight. Basically Ariane 5 was suppose to be the base of a European Shuttle.

This is why Ariane 5 is so big, instead of doing the sensible thing and making a mid-sized rocket to take over all the market, they made a huge rocket so it can fly a big space plane (Hermes). And then of course they canceled the space plane but didn't reevaluate the rocket.

The Ariane 5 uses hydrogen core stage with side booster, so its basically like the Shuttle. Notably why these European designs can never be reusable like Falcon 9. The Core stage is way higher energy then the Falcon 9 Core stage.

Vega, Vega C, Ariane 5 and Ariane 6 all use solid fuels, something that Russians don't use much. Its basically a lot of research done by France on the ICBM program that is being use here.

> I know that the US used Russian engines for years.

This was a post cold war development of course. By that point Europe had started development on their own hydrogen engine and didn't have much interest in RP-1. Hydrogen and solids were the way to go, or so they thought.

I wish Europe had just picked up the Nk-33 and built a medium sized rocket with it.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Amazon basically bought every available heavy lift rocket for the next decade in an attempt to compete with Starlink.

They did? Guess we might have to readjust the meaning of "state actor"..

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/05/amazon-signs-rocket-deal-wit...

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Confidentiality is not enough to claim Security. You also need Availability.

The point is if users are truly anonymous, you can't be selectively available as you can't discriminate. It's either entirely available or unavailable.

Except that you will have to authenticate to use any one such network. They're not going to provide free service, and they're not going to allow parties they don't want to allow or which they are told not to allow.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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> where do you live on the light polltion map Class 2. I can just appreciate the night sky with satellites in it. (They’re fun to watch.) > to what degree they mess up long exposure visible astronomy shots, or the noise they make for radio astronomy One is a luxury pass-time. For the other, there are workarounds.

The Desert Fireball network is visible astronomy used to find rocks on the ground within 24 hours of impact - thus delivering insights into the early formation of the solar system and occasionally insights into extra solar material. I think of it more as science than as a luxury pass time but you're welcome to your opinion. Streaking trains of LEO sats are a damn nuisance.

Science? What theory are you testing?

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Nah criticism from Europeans generally comes down, “look at dumb Americans doing things differently than us, don’t they know we’re objectively right about political and economic institutions?”

Do you have anything of substance to contribute, `edgyquant`?

Yes, precisely like that.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Yeah, don't know why they posted Renew's page instead of the official press release but here they are: https://defence-industry-space.ec.europa.eu/adoption-europea... https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/STATEM...

> IRIS² will be a constellation at the cutting edge of technology, to give Europe a lead, for example in quantum encryption. It will therefore be a vector of innovation. Quantum encryption?? Can anybody explain how this is related to satellites?

You can do QKE via sat-bounce, which is maybe what they're talking about, but this sounds more like clueless hype marketing than something written by an engineer.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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The Desert Fireball network is visible astronomy used to find rocks on the ground within 24 hours of impact - thus delivering insights into the early formation of the solar system and occasionally insights into extra solar material. I think of it more as science than as a luxury pass time but you're welcome to your opinion. Streaking trains of LEO sats are a damn nuisance.

Science? What theory are you testing?

You know that gathering evidence and observational bit?

That part.

As you asked, you might enjoy:

https://www.amazon.com.au/What-This-Thing-Called-Science/dp/...

and then move onto Lakatos, Popper, Kuhn, Feyerabend, Musgrave, et al.

But for now, baby steps.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Pot, meet kettle...seriously though, I don't think many people are inclined to "grow out of" advocating for their own self interests by giving up their freedoms to the state/bureaucracy. As long as there are power dynamics, those on the lower rungs will dare to annoy those on the higher rungs by sticking up for themselves...and vice versa Perhaps you meant "they will eventually sell their soul" instead?

Are you implying I gave up freedoms to state/bureaucracy? Which freedoms did I give up, exactly?

Interesting that my anti-war reply gets flagged over here. Can't have anyone critical of wars allowed to speak out. Nor can certain extremist ideological movements with a history of mass destruction, whose current activities are well documented, be acknowledged. I believe that answers your question...

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Sounds fantastic, but if we look at the history of the EU's Galileo GNSS [0], massive delays can be expected. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigation)

There are entire palettes of fantastically sounding plans to be found in Brussels. Don't get your hopes up.

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