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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

davesque wrote: post #289
epups wrote: post #80

This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?

Yep. If Microsoft somehow overtakes Google from the back with Bing and ChatGPT, it'll be the tech coup of the century. And it's so fascinating how Google's position as an AI think tank put them at a tremendous disadvantage. They didn't cut a deal with OpenAI because why should they? After all, they originated much of the research that led to GPT3. But then they didn't really do anything with it at all because they di…

It'd be the overtaking of the century.

Let's see.

Bing market share in the US = Edge market share in the US = 50% of internet traffic comes from phones).

Even if they get 100% of Google searches on Edge-devices to go to Bing (which they'll be lucky if they even get to 50% on their platforms) - it will hardly do anything...

The rate at which Edge is becoming irrelevant as people transition traffic to laptops (more likely Macs these days) or phones (0% MSFT) - is likely going to be larger than what Microsoft can chip away via Edge.

If they can chip away any meaningful traffic (I doubt it) - it will be a MUCH bigger threat when it comes from Apple.

And you can bet it's coming down the pike in a year or two if not sooner.

But I'm skeptical this AI search is going to be more than a fad, and I think the queries people like to ask AI search will be new types of searches (i.e. creating a new market, not taking away from the existing).

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by rippercushions »

PenguinCoder wrote: post #243
basch wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's an end to keyword search. Search now has state. I can search something, and then manipulate the results. Filter the results. I dont have to start over with a new query, or mess with quotes and -signs, which has been utterly terrible ever since google started taking things like that as suggestions. Or when I search for 4-5 words, and it instantly chooses to leave out the most important of the 5 terms so it can re…

I absolutely hate this, and it turns the search useless to me. When searching with "direct quotes" on Google, it has ignored my exact term in quotes and shown me results WITHOUT THAT KEYWORD. Useless.

This was finally largely fixed last year.

https://blog.google/products/search/how-were-improving-searc...

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by peanuty1 »

Nemi wrote: post #310
davesque wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. If Microsoft somehow overtakes Google from the back with Bing and ChatGPT, it'll be the tech coup of the century. And it's so fascinating how Google's position as an AI think tank put them at a tremendous disadvantage. They didn't cut a deal with OpenAI because why should they? After all, they originated much of the research that led to GPT3. But then they didn't really do anything with it at all because they di…

It makes one wonder if this is another kodak moment https://www.google.com/search?q=kodak+developed+the+digital+...

The Innovator's Dilemma.

Presumably, Google didn't want to cannibalize their cash cow (Google search) because they don't know if LLM chatbots can be monetized as effectively.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by seydor »

braingenious wrote: post #183

I’m really curious as to how on Earth did Google fumble the ball on this stuff? It’s hilarious that their search offering has been so bad for so long that the new Big Idea in Search is “What if you searched something and the returned result wasn’t garbage?”

To their credit, they did most of the research for this, transformers + reinforcement learning. But maybe they could not see a way that this could be used to lock in both advertisers and publishers in their own 'free' marketplace

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Post by LrnByTeach »

joxel wrote: post #359
LrnByTeach wrote: post #305

Why Google named ChatGPT competitor as “Apprentice Bard”? Here's my take. "Apprentice is Barred from this AI race" is the phrase. "You (OpenAI) Apprentice are Barred from this AI race, because, well you are just an apprentice" To counter Sun Microsystems' dominance in the Java market, IBM named its IDE as "Eclipse."( blocking Sun). PS: To be clear, that is not my personal opinion of OpenAI, I believe OpenAI brought s…

I figured it had to do with Bard like the D&D class, ministrels that have a way with words etc.

Thanks for that correction.

my bad ,I would have googled and checked it. yes, it seems this is named related to Bard like the D&D class

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by robertlagrant »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #441
davesque wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. If Microsoft somehow overtakes Google from the back with Bing and ChatGPT, it'll be the tech coup of the century. And it's so fascinating how Google's position as an AI think tank put them at a tremendous disadvantage. They didn't cut a deal with OpenAI because why should they? After all, they originated much of the research that led to GPT3. But then they didn't really do anything with it at all because they di…

It'd be the overtaking of the century. Let's see. Bing market share in the US = Edge market share in the US = 50% of internet traffic comes from phones). Even if they get 100% of Google searches on Edge-devices to go to Bing (which they'll be lucky if they even get to 50% on their platforms) - it will hardly do anything... The rate at which Edge is becoming irrelevant as people transition traffic to laptops (more lik…

I disagree, but for totally different reasons. I think Edge's advantage is MS could build a load of corporately validated plugins and service in it for employees, making it the de facto corporate browser. Then with some decent features around work/life separation with bookmarks and password management and it could easily start bleeding back into consumerland.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by benob »

zzzeek wrote: post #324
epups wrote: post #80

This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?

they'd have to get ChatGPT to stop spewing up made up bullshit and fake academic citations first, which I think is a bit of a bigger problem than many seem to be considering. the outcome will still be hilarious though, so it's win win for the onlookers I guess edit: all the responses here who think the garbage is "just fine, at least it's not SEO" are similarly hilarious. as though SEO would not be polluting the AI a…

People have been grounding LLMs with internet searches for a few months:

WebGPT: Browser-assisted question-answering with human feedback https://arxiv.org/abs/2112.09332

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by ly3xqhl8g9 »

eklitzke wrote: post #416
ly3xqhl8g9 wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's ~$0.03 per query if you were to buy the compute from AWS/Azure. If you own the datacenters it's probably more around $0.0003, perhaps less.

The profit margins of cloud providers are nowhere close to that. GCP and Azure currently lose money for Google and Microsoft, AWS is profitable but their profit margins are absolutely not 100x.

Microsoft, in this case, is pouring billions into this, and the industry at large, from Alphabet to LAION is in an arms race. They will optimize it beyond belief, x100 is rather low, come to think of it. I fully expect to be able to run your own ChatGPT on one DGX H100 unit (640GB GPU memory) in 18 months or less.

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Post by Dalewyn »

medion wrote: post #411
pphysch wrote: post #147

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It's going to eat up a lot of Wikipedia, StackOverflow, Quora, etc. traffic but it doesn't change the reality that often you need a real link to somewhere else on the Internet. And all of that is still going through Google or Bing.

Yes, this is a serious concern. These GPT's have stolen the collective knowledge these places have created, particularly Wikipedia - MS will refactor it and spew it out through a Microsoft portal. In effect, ChatGPT becomes a new window into the 'hand' generated Internet - eventually this window will be a new corporate garden wall. Huge swathes of traffic will be pulled from the likes of Wikipedia, StackOverflow, blo…

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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by cube00 »

flir wrote: post #154
trekkie1024 wrote: post #102

From the livestream: Last Q: Any plans to incorporate ads? Yusuf: Ads will be there from the start. I wonder how that's implemented.

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