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Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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What's amazing is how no one is honing in on the real reason this is happening, the DA's office combined with state laws make it hard to bail people and send people to prison. That's the decision made, and it's referred to as the carceral system. It's something viewed as urgently needing reform, and that's how the progressive DA's operate. Look at Alvin Bragg, the Manhattan DA's program ( https://www.manhattanda.org/…

Do you honestly think shoplifters should be locked in a cage?

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Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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This is one of those statements that feels good when no specifics are on the table, but if it was ever implemented we’d be seeing countless HN stories complaining about how Amazon is requiring sellers to provide too much documentation or closing their accounts for suspected dealing in stolen goods or something. Heavy handed regulation always sounds better in hypothetical perfect knowledge scenarios, but kind of sucks…

Simply trying to rent a house here in Australia requires submitting a goldmine for identity theft. ID's, bank statements, workplace statements to prove you have a job and the list goes on. And that simply gets you an application. No guarantee of being picked. I have zero problems with a business having to prove - to whatever degree - they are legit. Finance institutions have a KYC thing. Maybe Amazon needs a KYTrader…

AFAIK in the US you can buy/sell a house with an anonymous LLC. It's not clear to me you would even need an ID in the process, although that may vary by state. Definitely wouldn't need the rest of the stuff, except the money.

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In Chicago there has been a dramatic drop off: the arrest rate for retail theft went from 43%-54% in 2016-2019 to 18% in 2021 and the number of cases brought to Chicago police has dropped from 8986-10792/year to 6166. https://abc7chicago.com/smash-and-grab-robberies-chicago-org...

What is the cause of the arrest drop? Prosecutor policy, police strike, Covid masking and office closures confounding the operation of the law enforcement system, or something else?

As a Chicago resident I’d say it’s mostly “quite quitting” by cops. You never see them working anymore, and the people I’ve talked to about their experience with police basically all say that they never even showed up, and if they did they refused to even fill out a report.

The union even officially called for work stoppages due to vaccine mandates.

Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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>It just doesn't make sense to me, he admits that Manhattan is the worst burrough for crime, then states that it is over incarcerating. How does one determine that? It's tied in this foundational belief (and it's mentioned as one of the points) that incarceration leads to more recidivism. How one can reach this conclusion by taking overall violent crime stats into account (also all but one out of seven felony types a…

It's amazing how popular this beleif is, and how confident adherents are that it is true. It's epistemological arrogance, people simply have an unjustified confidence in social science studies. What do you mean by general chaos and plexiglass?

>What do you mean by general chaos and plexiglass?

The plastic casing around goods in all the chain pharmacies now, requiring staff to unlock. There's also hired private security now on top of it. It might not be Plexiglass, to be fair.

Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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The real reason is mentioned I the article: it’s absurdly easy to sell bulk stolen goods online. As long as that’s possible, there will always be someone stealing it, no matter how many people you lock up.

Why is it specifically a problem here in New York then, but wherever else I go in the country I don't see things nearly as locked up? Geography presumably shouldn't be a factor if shoplifters are only selling their loot online.

It's like that in San Francisco and Oakland too, although the suburbs in the bay are mostly much more chill.

Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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There's a simple solution to this: just leave, and take your taxable income with you. If a jurisdiction can't do a basic function of government, why the fuck would you want to perpetuate the administrative disease any further? Paying taxes to these jurisdictions is like enabling an abusive relationship

New York is where the jobs are. Just leave and get another 200k job as a banker where?

> New York is where the jobs are. Just leave and get another 200k job as a banker where?

If you scale that 200k for cost of living it shouldn't be very hard to find an alternative

Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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God probably doesn't have a lot of lawyers, but Amazon has more lawyers than Satan, too.

Doesn’t Satan really mean like cross examiner or something

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan, it means "Accuser" and "Adversary". Apparently (according to my foggy memories of a video essay about some high-art film) Satan was originally just the dude that would accuse you of all your sins you committed while mortal.

Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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But then you have to buy 4... So not exactly an apples to apples comparison if you only want one.

What a nonsensical argument. Deodorant is a consumable good. In scenarios like this, 40$ for 4 == 10$ for 1, because you consume it at a steady rate, and what you don't buy now you will pay for later

Compare to an extreme example of a market selling one watermelon for 5 dollars, and 5 watermelons for 15. Sure, the latter is a better deal, but I definitely have no use for more than one melon, and the arbitrage opportunity is not worth my time. In the same sense, I and many others do not need more than 1 deodorant at a time and I would rather save my space.

Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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I've lived in the same city now (not NYC) for 10+ years, so I'm moderately connected with all sorts of people and not just a bubble of affluent tech people. So I'll be real, I know some sketchy people that probably do drugs or at least know where to find some. What I don't know, however, is any "fences". That is, someone that traffics in stolen goods. Or maybe I do, they don't exactly advertise their services. I've n…

To further underline your point, if the chain is (thief)→(amazon)→(end user) then the fence isn't "anyone with an Amazon" account: the fence is amazon .

Amazon would say it is merely the credit card processor, the web store provider and provides ad space.

Same as if stripe, google ads and shopify were used.

They don’t take possession of the items at any time. Even if they warehouse has them, they are in the same boat as uhaul or a storage company.

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