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Post by Tao332 »

Crabber wrote: post #255
thangalin wrote: post #158

For folks in this thread making statements such as, "I don't see how one can dictate to others what they should find attractive," the negative social stigmas towards men of short stature go far beyond physical attraction. (There's absolutely nothing wrong with women finding taller men attractive.) https://twitter.com/heightismxposed Swap "short guy" for "Jew" in the quotations from those twits that have nothing to do…

Stop basing your entire worldview on what 20 women said on twitter.com in 2014

It looks like it's all 20 black women from 2014 as well. I'm not sure what to assume about the intention or circumstances behind the account owner choosing those samples, but it certainly doesn't accurately reflect majority opinion in 2022.

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Post by ummonk »

rectang wrote: post #390
daenz wrote: post #108

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Yep. Nobody wants to talk about it, but the amount of abuse that is directed from otherwise-socially-conscious women towards short men is pretty disgusting. It's extremely common for groups of women to laugh at and deride short men, both online and publicly in real life. It's eye-opening. (And before you ask, no I am not short, I've just witnessed the abuse first hand).

We'd be in a better place if we started from the assumption that everybody is prejudiced, it takes work for any of us to overcome it, and the work is never complete. I've seen hypocrisy and cruelty from people of all backgrounds. But anecdotally, among the "socially conscious women" I've spent time around, this, which is one of three top comments on the article, is a common sentiment: > This is a reminder that the pa…

That's not true though. It's women who believe in patriarchal gender roles that are more likely to date short men, because they focus on a man's suitability as a potential provider rather than his looks.

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

skeptikal wrote: post #421
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #416

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one thing that people don't realize is that they shrink as they age past a certain point (common to lose an inch), and I believe that bad posture can increase this. When I was 18 I was 6'4 but I'm pretty sure I must be around 6'2 - 6'3 by now. So maybe he got measured one time, without taking shoes off, and stood up really straight and he got told 6 when he was 5'11.6, and it's been like that in his head ever since.

Interesting, but we were both 19 in college.

Ok, so not necessarily the case there but maybe in some cases where those darn insecure men are lying about their height.

Even if someone asks me my height I probably just say 6'4' and leave it at that.

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Post by onphonenow »

throw__away7391 wrote: post #194
throwaway515 wrote: post #168

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> Basically this means that in modern dating, if you are short, you are very likely to die alone and this trend will only get worse in the future. I'm 5'6, and after almost 15 years of dating sites to modern dating apps, I have indeed accepted that yes, I will very likely die alone. My therapist has even half-seriously suggested I try lying about my height, and qualms aside, from the studies I've read, any plausible-…

I'm a tad over 6' but girls are so used to guys lying about their hight that they usually say I'm 6'2". On multiple occasions I've had my date insist over my objection that I must be taller than that. It's not a stretch for me to imagine that widespread lying by men about their hight has actually collectively made the problem worse for men, e.g. women insisting on 6 feet because they've dating 5'10" guys claiming to…

I'm 6'2" (happily married). Yes, I've been confused at other 6'1" and 6'2" guys out there - there IS definitely a fair bit of fibbing going on I think.

That said it doesn't come up that often in my circle.

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Post by anoy8888 »

throwaway515 wrote: post #168
aortega wrote: post #99

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>there aren't really downsides to short stature in modern life It even have several health benefits. Except that in dating, women overwhelmingly prefer men over 6', and very small differences like 5'7 vs 5'9 double or triple the matches in online dating sites. If we are talking about 5'6 vs 6'0 the difference is ridiculous, like over 200X more matches. Women even divorce short men at double the rate of tall men. Thos…

> Basically this means that in modern dating, if you are short, you are very likely to die alone and this trend will only get worse in the future. I'm 5'6, and after almost 15 years of dating sites to modern dating apps, I have indeed accepted that yes, I will very likely die alone. My therapist has even half-seriously suggested I try lying about my height, and qualms aside, from the studies I've read, any plausible-…

I know many people shorter than you and are quite popular with girls. Look outside your own countries , for example , someone average could become very popular in some Asian counties if you are white. ( not that I agree with it but it is the reality) .

Ps I am from south East Asian country

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Post by paulcole »

trophycase wrote: post #422
paulcole wrote: post #131

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> Except that in dating, women overwhelmingly prefer men over 6’ Is this actually true? > if you are short, you are very likely to die alone This also seems like nonsense.

Yes, height is the single biggest determining factor for attractiveness in men. This is obvious both in data, and if you've ever talked to women.

I think you forgot to link the data that makes this obvious?

And remember the point I think is nonsense is specifically, “women overwhelmingly prefer men over 6’”, not that height is the biggest determining factor for attractiveness in men.

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Post by Tao332 »

rsynnott wrote: post #273
recuter wrote: post #243

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“Glory crowns the deeds of those who expose themselves to toils and dangers.” ― Alexander the Great

Well, yes, but he was short, so who cares what he says? (/s, obviously) Incidentally, A. T. Great is maybe evidence that this is a modern fixation, not something that's always been with us. It's fairly clear that he was unusually short, but there's little indication that anyone thought much of it; by contrast, the idea that Napoleon (who wasn't even short!) was short was a propaganda point for the UK.

It's entirely possible that anti-short stigma in Anglo-American culture is actually born out of this propaganda, and not the other way around. The campaign was so effective that you used to hear people say ambitious shorter men had a "Napoleon Complex" -- and there's no way they would have thought that if propaganda hadn't first cemented the idea that Napoleon was short.

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Post by daenz »

rectang wrote: post #417
daenz wrote: post #399

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Why is women demeaning men for being short a symptom of the patriarchy?

It's an example of the harms that emerge from hidebound gender roles, preconceptions about the desirability of male dominance and female submission, and stultified ideals of attractiveness. Just as women benefit when society learns to accept and appreciate a wider variety of body types, so do men.

Doesn't this only make sense though if patriarchy is a priori defined by gender roles? It falls apart if any non-patriarchal system develops or prefers any gender roles. On what basis is it claimed that only a patriarchy has gender roles?

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Post by ummonk »

leereeves wrote: post #258
galoisscobi wrote: post #224

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I was bullied a lot for being short in high school and at home I was pressured to hang on the pull up bar "to get taller". I hope we stop doing this to people. My experiences in high school deeply affected my mental health.

I also hope we stop doing this to people. But on the topic of hanging, just out of curiosity, I'd like to mention: I've been reading about the benefits of dead hangs for shoulder health, and I've seen a few comments from people who claim that dead hangs actually did make them taller. I wonder whether it's true.

No idea about dead hangs specifically, but good posture (which requires strengthening the right muscles) probably adds a fair bit of height over bad posture, and bone can stretch slightly in response to exercise.

That said, the benefits of good health, better confidence, etc. from strength training probably far outweigh any benefits from increased height.

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Post by Jensson »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #223
aortega wrote: post #126

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I am sure there are some women for which that's true, but do you really think it's that strong of a universal? IDK, whenever men write stuff like that I always think to myself "you need to hang around better people". Like you can absolutely 100% find women that cold and calculating and dishonest. But acting like all women are that impulsive is really strange to me. That's like saying all men will beat you up and rob…

We are talking about attractiveness here, you can't choose who you are attracted to. So in one case you have a wife who fucks the pool boy, in the other you have a wife that wants to fuck the pool boy but doesn't since she is a great person. But in both cases you have a wife who is more sexually attracted to others than to you, you can live with that but it is sad for those people. Just like how old men tend to be more attracted to young women than their old wives, and that makes those wives sad even if those men never leave their wife or cheats, reality has a lot of sad facts like that.
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