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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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You are linking some links that don't imply what you imply. Yes, there are biolabs, and yes, some of them are Army-affiliated because COVID happened in the army, and yes, UA Army works with DoD. But there is no connection whatsoever there with the "US-made bioweapons" or even "bioweapons" in general so basically you are just promoting conspiracy.

I did not make any statements about existence of bioweapons. You said “There is nothing in the video saying the biolabs belong to the US, stop spreading conspiracy misinformation.” I pointed out that there is in fact US DoD funded research in Ukrainian bio labs. I have no idea if they are making bioweapons. I can’t prove that they are, you can’t prove that they aren’t. But I do know that Victoria Nuland stated in tha…

Funded by the DoD under antiproliferation because these were former soviet bioweapons labs. Why do people keep leaving this out? Seems pretty important to me

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/05-829-Ukra...

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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https://twitter.com/raczylo/status/1501324063926534148 Edit: "The US has an interest in biolabs in Ukraine" - I feel like this is a pretty useless nit to pick. (Sorry for the twitter source. It's a video of Marco Rubio, a US senator, talking to Victoria Nuland) The US is basically warning that Russia plans to release stuff from these labs and blame the Ukrainians for it. Kindof the same thing they were supposedly doi…

Just piggybacking on your great comment here. The U.S. also has biolabs in China, or funds them, or has enough involvement that it's equivalent to what they're doing in Ukraine so maybe Russia should invade China next using their own biolab justification.

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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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post #413

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I am amused that one who know neither Chinese and Russian languages confidently claim that their media are lying, based on the reporting that one knows as biased. Let's put in this way. One saw a black box. One was told that the black box contains some nasty staff. One knows that the above statement is biased. One then claim that the black box contains the nasty thing. See how bias anchored one's thought, even if cle…

You know that Russian and Chinese media have English versions, and Google Translate and similar can be used to translate the original versions? The absolutely publish complete bullshit.

his point is, have _you_ translated these things for yourself or just relied on someone else to do so?

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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post #413

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You know that Russian and Chinese media have English versions, and Google Translate and similar can be used to translate the original versions? The absolutely publish complete bullshit.

his point is, have _you_ translated these things for yourself or just relied on someone else to do so?

Yes, i have. It's not worth the bytes it took to get to me and i wonder what kind of cynic would even try to write so blatantly wrong bullshit.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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post #161

>Good WSJ article on Russia vs. China. In a nutshell, China miscalculated the situation. They will likely look to limit their bet (on Russia) for fear of becoming Russia 2.0 to the West. [1] The tweet is from Neil Cybart and WSJ. You may know him as one of the more accurate Apple analysts. And most people still to this day think either China miscalculated it, or China's official stance is somewhat unclear. ( Paul Gra…

As the WSJ article correctly points out, China immediately tried to caution the Russians in their invasion, China also never recognized the peoples republics of Luhansk and Donetzk, and didn't even accept Russia's annexation of Crimea. In the UN, China and others abstained instead of voting with Russia, and China on multiple occasions stressed the independence and importance of territorial integrity of Ukraine. It is…

Brazil didn't abstain.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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I did not make any statements about existence of bioweapons. You said “There is nothing in the video saying the biolabs belong to the US, stop spreading conspiracy misinformation.” I pointed out that there is in fact US DoD funded research in Ukrainian bio labs. I have no idea if they are making bioweapons. I can’t prove that they are, you can’t prove that they aren’t. But I do know that Victoria Nuland stated in tha…

Funded by the DoD under antiproliferation because these were former soviet bioweapons labs. Why do people keep leaving this out? Seems pretty important to me https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/05-829-Ukra...

Simply because I did not know why the DoD was funding them. So thank you for that.

Also any time the DoD (or any gov entity anywhere in the world) claims “we are doing this only for the seemingly good purpose A” there is generally a much bigger purpose B, C, and D that they don’t mention.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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post #444

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his point is, have _you_ translated these things for yourself or just relied on someone else to do so?

Yes, i have. It's not worth the bytes it took to get to me and i wonder what kind of cynic would even try to write so blatantly wrong bullshit.

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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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post #444

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his point is, have _you_ translated these things for yourself or just relied on someone else to do so?

Yes, i have. It's not worth the bytes it took to get to me and i wonder what kind of cynic would even try to write so blatantly wrong bullshit.

while i was replying to you, i meant “you” in general. his point is a valid one: that most people simply take the information that’s presented to them, and, despite knowing what the source of that information is, choose to believe it at face-value. whether this news is from state-controlled media or the new york times or wherever, people ignore the known fact that their news source is likely biased in some way and, without bothering to do any research themselves, let that news shape their opinions.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Well, to be fair if you remove restrictions then it is the Western version of events that will rules as they have the established platforms and money to spread info. To see their power look at the French poll of who won them the World War. It became 20% in the recent decades from 57% for Russia https://www.france24.com/en/20190601-who-won-wwii-russias-ro...

The idea that the Soviet Union won WWII is itself propaganda and ignores the contributions of many, many nations, not to mention the entire Pacific war. Also, the liberation of France was exclusively the western allies.

I suggest asking some professional historians this question and you will be surprised at the answer. Only Americans believe that the the USA was the primary nation responsible for victory in WW2.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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post #358

The propaganda is also very strong on Chinese social media (especially Wechat). I leave in France and I know a few Chinese person that keep telling me that this war was mainly caused by USA, that the Ukraine president is a dictator and so on...

Oh, the irony! As an Indian, reading nytimes and bbc articles about India was a real eye opener on how much propaganda is passed off as 'opinion' and 'news' in the western press. I mean, the confidence and elan with which a narrative is pushed by blatantly hiding contrarian views and even facts is fascinating to observe, especially when you're on the ground looking at stuff firsthand. You really need to experience it…

I’m really interested in an example of these discrepancies, since as a westerner I’m exposed mostly to that narrative.
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