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Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by CryptoPunk »

dathinab wrote: post #249

From the guidelines: > (v) Account Sign-In: If your app doesn’t include significant account-based features, let people use it without a login. If your app supports account creation, you must also offer account deletion within the app. Apps may not require users to enter personal information to function, except when directly relevant to the core functionality of the app or required by law. If your core app functionali…

So to clarify, apps can't only have social login.. they need to allow sign-in/account-creation via another mechanism, like email confirmation?

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Post by croon »

EastOfTruth wrote: post #376
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It probably could be fine for public user data that you want to spread out and be somewhat resistant to censor from governments. Can you give an example? “spread out and be somewhat resistant to censorship from governments” is just a description of blockchain's strengths¹. > why do you talk about it if it isn't relevant? If I didn't mention it, I'd be lying by omission. In order for this discussion to make sense, I…

> Can you give an example? it is very easy to find an example of censorship, not sure why you need one but let's say: "World marks 32 years since Tiananmen massacre as China censors all mention of it" There is also daily examples of censorship on this website.

And yet we all knew about it without blockchains and cryptotransactions are banned in China.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by saddlerustle »

jb1991 wrote: post #38
gumby wrote: post #2

Wonder if this can be used to unsubscribe from The NY Times?

This raises one notable benefit of going through Apple for all payments -- as a customer, it buffers me from dark billing patterns of any random company. Companies like 37signals don't like it and claim it hampered their relationship with customers, and that might be true in some cases, but overall it seems like a benefit for customers to have a consistency process of buying, refunding, cancelling everything they use…

PayPal does the same thing without taking a 30% cut.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by [deleted] »

anarchogeek wrote: post #27

What about inmutable systems? My app (using scuttlebutt) creates an 'account' but it's located as crypto keys only within the app and apple keychain. So far the apple reviewers refused to believe that it works like. It's open source, they've got the code... but still.... Same is true for anything crypto. The account as it were exists on many devices, but it's not something you as the app creator can manage. I think a…

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Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by grishka »

onion2k wrote: post #416
grishka wrote: post #310

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What if you're making an unofficial, unaffiliated app for someone else's service, and their API/protocol doesn't support deleting accounts?

Then you won't be able to continue making that app.

And this is why Apple needs to be forced to allow app sideloading on iOS. A software and hardware company shouldn't be playing police.

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Post by Tepix »

dwaite wrote: post #137
Hammershaft wrote: post #106

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Apple killed valve's steam link app because they couldn't get a cut of games consumers had purchased on a different platform. Hardly pro consumer behavior.

They _temporarily removed_ steam link because the app allowed you to enter credit card information and purchase directly within the app. Once that was removed, Steam Link went right back up

The reason why they removed it is still anti-consumer.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by EGreg »

jeroenhd wrote: post #40
anarchogeek wrote: post #27

What about inmutable systems? My app (using scuttlebutt) creates an 'account' but it's located as crypto keys only within the app and apple keychain. So far the apple reviewers refused to believe that it works like. It's open source, they've got the code... but still.... Same is true for anything crypto. The account as it were exists on many devices, but it's not something you as the app creator can manage. I think a…

This is why using the blockchain got user data is such a stupid idea. The immutability makes it impossible to redact or remove information, even if that information is encrypted. The same is true foor P2P services where there is no central accounting system. Deleting the account shouldn't be a problem if all the "account" info is stored on the device itself, so if your reviewers aren't completely incompetent I don't…

Except it shouldn’t be up to the device makers to delete your “account”. It should be up to you. What’s stupid is the current system, where you bought an e-book and they can delete it from under your nose at any time.

There are three pieces, in fact:

1) The device keys - they should never leave the device

2) YOUR private keys - which you should be accessing and managing from multiple devices, and you can have many of these

3) User accounts on networks. This is where you actually authenticated some sessions, and they shouldn’t contain most of your personal info, only info necessary to operate the service.

For example at our company, we have a way for websites to display your name and friends back to yourself, while having no idea what they are. You can manage multiple identities across many services, and choose which to share with friends, and which not, and everything is automated so the Web turns into a social network:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ1O_gmPneI

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by Cederfjard »

busymom0 wrote: post #380
spinax wrote: post #202

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Not sure which reply to post this under, so I'll just reply under GP - it took me about 3 minutes to locate a popular HN client which specifically advertises account creation in the overview. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/octal/id1308885491 (Android user, can't test it)

I am the developer of HACK which is a HN client for iOS, MacOS and Android and I support account creation too: https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/hack-for-hacker-news-developer... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pranapps.h... I have no idea what happens to third party apps as Apple doesn't specify.

From the perspective of Apple and their users, does it really matter whether the backend an app relies on is owned by the developers of said app or not? The experience around and ramifications of account creation and deletion are the same regardless. Which obviously can be a pain for third-party devs.

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Post by jamil7 »

Good, I recently had the displeasure of trying to find a specific Audiobook while on my phone on holiday. Every Audiobook app/service games the system with Google keywords when you do a Google search for the Audiobook indicating that they have the book when they either don't or don't in the specific region you're in. So I ended up with 3 or 4 of these apps and accounts with no Audiobook and no way to delete my account from within the app, you have to then figure out for each one which hoops to jump through on their website or contacting support to have your info removed.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by EGreg »

An app may not store credentials or tokens to social networks off of the device and may only use such credentials or tokens to directly connect to the social network from the app itself while the app is in use.

Bye bye Hootsuite and other apps for automating Facebook and Twitter posts.

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