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Re: Poor in Tech

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> I knew I was the only poor person at my tech startup because I was the only person who would say hello to the cleaning lady as she meekly made her rounds around us when we worked late. Everyone else had a long habit of ignoring anyone like her.

I hope no one is gullible enough to believe this. This is bond villain stuff and most certainly does not apply to "tech" as a category. I even worked in Finance and never heard of this kind of behavior.

> I knew I was the only poor person at my tech startup because everyone’s hobby talk was incomprehensible to me. Sailing. Indoor rock climbing. Building robots. Golfing. Sourcing and collecting antiquities. Adult soccer leagues. All I heard was money. Money. Money.

The poorest people in the world play soccer and sports. My parents collected antiques on minimum wage. The biggest antiquers I've known were college students. And as for sailing, most people don't sail on their own boats, they pitch in their physical labor in exchange for getting to participate in the hobby. That's free, you just have to be physically active.

> I knew I was the only poor person at my tech startup because I was afraid to seek mentorship from anyone above me, convinced that even asking would seem like bothersome begging. I watched the people around me network effortlessly, assured of favors and good words put in. I could only think in terms of what I could offer and how I could survive; they were thinking on the next level where they never had to wonder if they were good enough. They were to the business-class manner born, at least.

This has nothing to do with poverty. My cousin grew up poorer than I did and is the most arrogant, direct, and demanding person you'll ever meet. If the job pays $100k he'd ask for $500k.

> I knew I was the only poor person at my tech startup because when I talked about paying off my student loans, people expressed their utter shock that my parents hadn’t put me through Berkeley. Were Mom and Pop simply opposed to public school? Did they disagree with my choice of major?

No one said that. Literally no one is shocked that anyone else has student loans. This is more bond villain hyperbole.

> I knew I was the only poor person at my tech startup because they thought I was kidding when I said I had a GED.

Well yeah, but this has nothing to do with poverty. You were irresponsible enough to drop out of high school and people are rightfully shocked that you're responsible enough to hold a tech job.

> I knew I was the only poor person at my tech startup because I forgot my charger once and absolutely nobody had one old enough to be compatible with my phone.

Everyone knows this is the opposite. We've all seen poor people in brand new shoes and with the latest iPhone and watch. People in poverty actually have the newest phones. That's part of what keeps them in poverty, irresponsible purchasing habits. Meanwhile most tech people I know have far older devices when it comes to smart phones.

I stopped reading here. This isn't serious. OP is a professional victim who is outright misrepresenting things.

Re: Poor in Tech

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Many of the comments on this article are so cold. I can’t believe it. When I read the original article I was imagining all the constructive ways HN readers would interpret it and hold a mirror up to their own behaviour. Some commenters are doing this. But it surprises and depresses me how many people are commenting saying “no, this list isn’t what it says it is, it’s a list showing the author has a negative mindset /…

You have a much more sunny view of HN readers than I do; I was expecting to see a whole bunch of victim-blaming and complete lack of understanding of what it's like to be broke. I was delightedly surprised to see your comment as the top one when I looked.

Re: Poor in Tech

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"if you live in a remote area or small town away from a large city, your access to fresh and non-processed foods is heavily reduced." This simply isn't true. Most food deserts are in the poorer areas of the cities because nobody is bringing fresh produce in there to sell. If you live in the country or small town, many of these places have farm stands, farmers markets, and local farmers providing seasonal produce to t…

Rural areas being chock full of farmers markets is mostly nostalgia, anyone I know who lives in the country is far more likely to shop exclusively at Walmart than anyone in the city, and likely to prefer more non-perishable food (i.e. processed) because daily or multiple times a week shopping trips are infeasible. The farms in rural areas are generally focused on growing a single thing (either one type of livestock,…

You're both kind of right here. The farmers market stuff is mostly BS.

In the rural areas the weekly/biweekly shopping routine involves everyone (rich and poor alike) dragging their butts to the one strip mall in a 1-2hr radius and that strip mall will have at the bare minimum a super-walmart with a good fresh produce section or a Walmart with a grocery store beside it because that's the place where rich middle and poor from the entire area shop and it needs to cater to them all in order to get them to drag their butts there and do business. The poor will buy less and fill in the gaps with Dollar General food (which is bad food at a bad price).

The poor urban areas which can't economically support supermarkets and who's residents can't economically justify traveling the range they'd need to travel to get to those supermarkets (because the run down not always running cars that underpin the transportation of the rural poor are not as economically viable in cities) so they're stuck buying food at CVS, the bodega or whatever convenience store is accessible.

If you draw the food desert line at "no Whole Foods and no farmers market" then they both suck. But if you zoom in on the area below that the rural areas have a slight edge.

Re: Poor in Tech

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or someone that's considered poor, can't afford one.

Easier to do in some places than others. Public transport is nonexistent in several places here in Texas for example - you have to have a car (or know someone who does) to get to your job in the first place. But commuting puts wear and tear on the car, especially if you can't find work particularly close to where you live.

I read a book once on extreme early retirement that advised to pick your place of work and house so that they were within walking distance of each other and also walking distance to a grocery store. The quality of the work and even your income weren't as critical as this. The idea being the goal was to finish work as soon as possible in your life when investment income could take over. Live in a one room rental, have one plate, a pot and a fork. Be a Spartan. That was the gist of it. Retire in five to ten years. Was compelling on some levels but orders of magnitude more difficult when you consider trying to bring a spouse and family into this.

Re: Poor in Tech

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Many of the comments on this article are so cold. I can’t believe it. When I read the original article I was imagining all the constructive ways HN readers would interpret it and hold a mirror up to their own behaviour. Some commenters are doing this. But it surprises and depresses me how many people are commenting saying “no, this list isn’t what it says it is, it’s a list showing the author has a negative mindset /…

In some ways it's a laundry list of ways rich people in the Bay Area act like wankers, which is interesting, but also quite irritatingly stereotypical. There are plenty who don't refuse to talk to the cleaning staff, lecture others on their choice of tampon, or snob fat people at the gym. I don't want people from outside the bubble (e.g. me, three years ago) to read this and think they'll be surrounded by wall-to-wal…

Not to detract from the broader point, which I completely agree with, but the gym example didn't strike me as a Valley-specific phenomenon. I could imagine something similar happening at a gym in a working class neighborhood, and I could also think of gyms which welcome all, regardless of being a beginner or not.

People not near the median get critiqued often for their weight, and it happens to underweight people too.

Re: Poor in Tech

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This comment cannot be saying what it seems to be saying, can you clarify what you mean? Maybe it was worded oddly.

First point: I live in Scandinavia. Poor people are just as dumb here as in USA, but we take better care of them. USA assumes that poor people should be able to take care of themselves, which doesn't work. Taking care of them doesn't make them smarter, but it makes their lives better which is the point.

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Re: Poor in Tech

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I grew up poor(but no longer am). I can sympathize with some of the things she wrote, but not very many. I too talk to the janitor and cleaners. I once had a job like that. What strikes me is that she describes a work-life that are quite a few years long, perhaps even decades, and she still is dirt poor apparently. I know that no-one just gives money away, but how come she lives a frugal life and after years of worki…

She does say she is paid less then everyone else in the company and it seems she lives in San Fransisco, so it doesn't seem like too much of stretch to me

Re: Poor in Tech

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> Nobody had walked me away from my desk to keep me from stealing pens or staples or secrets. Are you saying poor people are always dishonest so by trusting you they treated you like a rich person, which is bad because ?? . Honestly I'm just confused.

I think what the author is getting at is that at many office jobs that lower-class folks work at, on your last day you'll be "walked out" by security to make sure you don't steal anything, "cause a scene," etc. The implication is that this is something that happens to lower-class workers, but not upper-class workers. And the "lower-class" job comes with low pay, and thus: poor. That's the logical connection I get whe…

It happens to most workers involuntarily terminated, and the brutal and humiliating way most American companies go about it is quite telling.

Re: Poor in Tech

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So your intelligence is based on how much money your parents made? Your intrinsic ability to be educated is a function of someone else's wallet? Something seems off in this statement. I wish your parents had money, then your statement would probably be coherent!

No, intelligence is mostly inherited. If your biological parents were smart then you will almost surely be smart and vice versa. And smart people end to earn more money, so intelligence is indirectly correlated with parental wealth. But when you put kids from poor parents into rich households they will continue to do poorly. They do a bit better, but their biological parents still matters more. If it was easy to prod…

It's not uncommon for smart people to be poor. You can be intelligent and have intelligent parents that came from poor countries, maybe parents that experienced a debilitating traumatic experience keeping them from working, or mental illnesses that don't inhibit intelligence, but do inhibit basic survival.

Re: Poor in Tech

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No, the solution is to acknowledge that they are dumb and therefore focus resources with the assumption that they are dumb. USA assumes that poor people are smart, Europe assumes poor people are dumb. The European way is much better, and yes poor people in American are dumb, just like they are in Europe.

What an absolutely dumb comment.

Yes. The author of the comment seems not the understand simple concepts like averages and normal distributions. Additionally, he/her seems to assume a causal relationship where if you're poor it is because you're dumb, and not the other way around, or even a mix of those two things.

Yeah, on average, poor people score a few points low than the average for rich people. true. But this is not an absolute as the post's author seems to believe.

It doesn't mean all poor people are dumb, or that you are automatically smarter than someone who is poorer than you. Picture mentally two bell curves with a lot of overlap and very long tails. Things are in reality way more nuanced than this dumb statement that poor == dumb.

On the aggregate, it is a useful datapoint, it means that probably as a society, you should reserve some more resources for education in poorer neighborhoods.

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