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iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by CharlesW »

Someone1234 wrote: post #9

In regard to unlock w/Apple Watch: - This is an issue of Apple's own artificial creation. - This doesn't even solve the issue. So this all started because Face Unlock didn't work with masks, that's not Apple's fault. But what is entirely Apple's fault is that they break an option which resolves this only when Face Unlock is enabled: "Require Passcode." When you disable Face Unlock you can set Require Passcode to e.g.…

> This doesn't even solve the issue.

Having used it for several weeks, this feature elegantly solves the issue.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by mikestew »

gambiting wrote: post #415
mikestew wrote: post #336

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It's crazy that you can unlock a Samsung with your face OR an in-screen fingerprint reader, but you can't an iPhone. I don't think it's crazy when one considers that Samsung will put that stuff on a phone, and whether it works or not is the customer's problem. We've forgotten Samsung's earlier "face unlock" attempts, haven't we? I haven't, it was bad enough to be one of the major factors in getting me to quit using S…

What's your point? Obviously just because Samsung's implementation used to be shitty doesn't mean apple's would be, hopefully that's not what you are suggesting?

Point is, saying "Samsung has that feature" is like saying "Tesla has L5 self-driving next month". Just because a company says something doesn't make it true, and other companies are not required to try and compete with snake oil. Apple's ability to execute has little to do with it.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by justapassenger »

germinalphrase wrote: post #357
justapassenger wrote: post #328

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It’s because they couldn’t figure out how to get better ROI from data processing than they get from positioning themselves as tron, fighting for the user. Once they figure it out, their story will change very quickly. It’s naive to think that sending data to other huge company is proper solution.

Call me naive, but maybe having a formerly closeted homosexual baby boomer from Alabama at the helm underscores the stakes a bit.

It’s easy to have principles when they make you money. If current strategy will start to slow down, do you think shareholders will be more concerned with Tim’s personal story, or continued revenue growth? With or without Tim as a CEO.

CEOs are easily replaceable when business slows down. Especially if you aren’t rockstar founder, with majority of voting rights, and just a very effective administrator.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by havernator »

turblety wrote: post #387
havernator wrote: post #383

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I hope they never enable it. Watching people in my life “use” that feature, I wouldn’t be surprised if well over half if web push messages are sent to people who don’t know how they got enabled, or how to disable them (they just clicked away an annoying pop-up on a site they’d never, ever want messages from, not realizing what they did)

I would have though the same, but of all people I know who use Android, this hasn't been an issue.

It’s mostly been desktop I’ve seen have this issue (including macOS). Maybe the UI is better on mobile so click-yes-to-make-the-annoying-popup-go-away-oops-now-you-get-push-messages isn’t an issue.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by germinalphrase »

justapassenger wrote: post #443
germinalphrase wrote: post #357

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Call me naive, but maybe having a formerly closeted homosexual baby boomer from Alabama at the helm underscores the stakes a bit.

It’s easy to have principles when they make you money. If current strategy will start to slow down, do you think shareholders will be more concerned with Tim’s personal story, or continued revenue growth? With or without Tim as a CEO. CEOs are easily replaceable when business slows down. Especially if you aren’t rockstar founder, with majority of voting rights, and just a very effective administrator.

No doubt, but until that time - this CEO may take the threat of privacy loss a little more seriously than others who have not been part of a group that has been targeted for social and civil discrimination/violence.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by WorldMaker »

ghaff wrote: post #111
Someone1234 wrote: post #9

In regard to unlock w/Apple Watch: - This is an issue of Apple's own artificial creation. - This doesn't even solve the issue. So this all started because Face Unlock didn't work with masks, that's not Apple's fault. But what is entirely Apple's fault is that they break an option which resolves this only when Face Unlock is enabled: "Require Passcode." When you disable Face Unlock you can set Require Passcode to e.g.…

>MUST enable a passcode on your Apple Watch to use this feature at all In all fairness, I believe they require you to set a passcode on your watch if you use it for Apple Pay. And, honestly, especially right now--while I don't always use my watch to pay mostly because the Magsafe wallet makes pulling out a card very easy--it's pretty convenient.

I have found the watch the most convenient NFC payment option of them all, if a place supports NFC payments at all. So many places still put the readers too close to the cashiers and getting a phone near them is awkward, but usually you can wave your wrist at them without problem. I still love how spooked cashiers sometimes get when you do that for the first time around them (and they often don't realize they support NFC payments because no one wants to try the awkward phone angle) and it looked like you just waved your arm to pay.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by WorldMaker »

iso1631 wrote: post #417
Someone1234 wrote: post #9

In regard to unlock w/Apple Watch: - This is an issue of Apple's own artificial creation. - This doesn't even solve the issue. So this all started because Face Unlock didn't work with masks, that's not Apple's fault. But what is entirely Apple's fault is that they break an option which resolves this only when Face Unlock is enabled: "Require Passcode." When you disable Face Unlock you can set Require Passcode to e.g.…

I have a 2016SE, with touch ID. It works perfectly well when I wear a mask. If fingerprint doesn't work it immediately pops up the passcode box. It such a shame that apple are good at removing useful features rather than just adding them.

If Face ID doesn't work it does pop up the passcode box. They tweaked it a versions back so it was faster to pop up when "mask detected" (though how well that worked as with any ML-based solution varied from person to person). Additionally the upward "home swipe" and "tap the Face ID indicator" options have both always immediately given the passcode box for me. (My favorite thing that happens sometimes is impatience with Face ID will have me swipe for the passcode box, the box will come up, and I get maybe one or two inputs in before Face ID catches up and finishes the unlock.)

This new Watch feature is great for people like me who are paranoid about punching in my passcode in front of a shop full of cameras and strangers, but it's a nice-to-have feature not a "required" feature as some of the above comments seem to complain it is.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by WorldMaker »

macintux wrote: post #103
karmelapple wrote: post #88

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Something I just found out on Friday when my iPhone battery ran out while at the store: my Apple Watch could still make a purchase even though it didn’t have a cell connection. Pretty great!

Yep, I realized the same once when I didn't have my phone with me. It's just representing card data to the scanner, so it doesn't need a network connection.

Yup, some niceties like transaction finalized notifications don't catch up to your watch until you have a network connection, but nothing show stopping. (Your phone often still gets them immediately, but obviously if you don't have it with you, the tree fell in the forest and you don't know if it made a sound.)

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by WorldMaker »

fuzzy2 wrote: post #83
macintux wrote: post #66

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> Unlock with Watch apparently does not work with Apple Pay. I find Apple Pay so much easier to use with the Watch that I never can remember how to use it on the phone.

It’s useful for some situations where there are obstacles, for example drive-thru checkouts at fast food restaurants or gas stations.

Yeah, in general too many places still put the NFC readers too close to the cashiers because they still expect people to hand over cards like its 1999. Getting a watch near to some of those readers is far easier than most phones.
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