Elon Musk’s anti-union tweet from 2018 must be deleted: U.S. labor board

Post by tsimionescu » Sat, Mar 27, 2021, 9:15 PM UTC

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> I'm pretty sure Amazon and Tesla pay great relative to their space. > I'm sure most Amazon warehouse jobs start in the $15-20/hr range. How much better can you really get for what is essentially reading a screen, grabbing something off of a shelf, and putting it in a box? Amazon is also one of the richest companies in the world, largely dependant on the work of each and every one of those warehouse workers. Why is…

> If that's unrealistic, still: Amazon's profit went up by 84% in 2020. Why shouldn't workers seek for their wages to go up 84% instead? So, say Amazon's net income in 2019 was $11.5B, and that they paid employees about $25B. Even if Amazon's scale in 2020 required no additional workers, increasing wages for those existing workers by 84% would have wiped out Amazon's entire profit and more despite a banner year.

Post by LMYahooTFY » Sat, Mar 27, 2021, 9:20 PM UTC

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Working in France completely changed my view of unions. I sure hope the horrors I saw won’t happen to Tesla.

And yet, the level of inequity in france is nowhere near as much as USA. Sure there arn't as many mega rich, but then there arn't people hundreds of thousands of people being bankrupted by medical bills either.

Post by dragonwriter » Sat, Mar 27, 2021, 9:25 PM UTC

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And yet, the level of inequity in france is nowhere near as much as USA. Sure there arn't as many mega rich, but then there arn't people hundreds of thousands of people being bankrupted by medical bills either.

How is being bankrupted by medical bills relevant to unions?

Post by neaden » Sat, Mar 27, 2021, 9:56 PM UTC

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The horrors of... a 35 hour workweek, 5 weeks paid vacation, 16 weeks paid maternity leave, universal healthcare, and no at-will employment?

Ah, classic selection bias blinders on. Sure, great benefits for those who have jobs. What about for the people who can't get employed due to the conditions on labor? The young, poor, already jobless? Not so much concern for them, you got yours.

Post by cbnotfromthere » Sat, Mar 27, 2021, 9:59 PM UTC

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The biggest confusion I have is everybody seems to approach Amazon and Tesla unionization as "hopefully it happens so workers will get better wages!" I could be wrong but... I'm pretty sure Amazon and Tesla pay great relative to their space. Relatively demanding, sure. I get it. We've all seen the article where some Amazon worker urinated in a bottle because "the job is just so ruthless!". They employ hundreds of tho…

> If it was that bad, I think they'd have a harder time hiring. You're severely underestimating the punishing conditions of an Amazon warehouse job. A picker has a tablet that alerts them of an item to get. A clock starts counting down on the time you have to get to the right bin, find the item, and scan it. The warehouse sorting algorithms created by Amazon engineers optimize for retrieval time - but the warehouses…