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Record Breaking Number of Journalists Arrested in the U.S. This Year

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

jjeaff wrote: post #405
lawnchair_larry wrote: post #186

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Why would you assume that cops are racist? Especially when a lot of them are black themselves?

I took it to mean that the "cop's boys club" is racist, not all cops. But if you want to see real world examples of racism in policing, talk to a handful of Black men and ask about their experiences dealing with the cops. You will very likely hear many stories that you have never heard of happening to white people. And the individual cops don't have to be racist for the -system- of policing to be racist.

That’s backwards. The “system” quite obviously has no racial element. It’s possible (but uncommon) for racist individuals to get jobs as officers, but absolutely nothing about “the system” itself is racist.

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

SauciestGNU wrote: post #430
j_walter wrote: post #406

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How do you define credible? Someone that releases information that you agree with? His videos are often releases of what Antifa publishes and rarely of his own recording (mostly because he has been violently attacked in the past by them). Stop excluding sources because you don't like the information...take in as much data as possible and make your own conclusion. When protestors are going into residential neighborhoo…

> because he has been violently attacked in the past by them Oh of course, how could I forget the milkshake that gave him brain damage? He's a liar and a partisan even moreso than the citizen-journalists being criticized in the thread.

Now who is making things up? You’re either knowingly lying about the assault by pretending he claimed a milkshake injured him, or you’re very misinformed. And no, he has nothing to do with atomwaffen or any other hate group whatsoever. You know that white supremacists don’t accept gay vietnamese people right?

Partisan, interesting epithet though. As if you yourself and virtually everyone else, especially antifa, isn’t partisan?

He seems to repost videos recorded by antifa people (which irrationally upsets them). There is no need to trust him, the videos are there, as are the mugshots and arrest records. Which definitely show a theme.

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Post by austincheney »

centimeter wrote: post #376
austincheney wrote: post #242

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I am fine with being an individual with original opinions but I can empathize with insecure people who band together for reassurance.

If you're not attuned enough to figure out why political alliances are worthwhile, your opinions probably aren't that original. It's not a matter of "reassurance" - it's about economies of scale. If the best explanation you can come up with for why a bunch of people exhibit a behavior you don't is "they have a personality flaw", this is very strong evidence that you don't actually have a good grasp of people's motiva…

Strength in numbers is a compensation for insecurity.

> If the best explanation you can come up with for why a bunch of people exhibit a behavior you don't is "they have a personality flaw"

Conformity. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformity

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AshWolfy wrote: post #433
abacadaba wrote: post #307

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https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo he has hundreds(?) of examples if you scroll, but to save some time here's one from portland police https://twitter.com/PortlandPolice/status/128725192442150502... Edit: ok searching "press" on the feed maybe like more like tens rather than hundreds with actual video evidence, but im sure i missed some

Andy Ngo is known to use selective editing and openly lies about facts, and is not a valid source on anything\ A single instance of a protestor who falsely claimed to be press, and did not commit any crimes does not prove that people who claim to be journalists are throwing rocks or molotov cocktails.

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Post by 80386 »

slg wrote: post #346
throwaway894345 wrote: post #329

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It would perhaps be tautological if the OP had qualified professional software developers, but the tautological definition for "software developer" is "anyone who develops software (irrespective of whether they do it professionally)". If we're going to pick nits, we may as well be accurate, right?

Which was exactly my point. They are limiting the title of "journalist" to exclusively people who have been anointed as journalists by some gatekeeping entity. This rules out hobbyist, freelancers, self employed people, people just breaking into the industry, and all sorts of other people. The software developing equivalents of those people are inarguably part of the software development community. Why wouldn't their…

If you don't rule out hobbyists, freelancers, and the self-employed, I can declare myself a journalist, start a blog or a Twitter, and start throwing Molotov cocktails, and if I get arrested for it, that's another arrest of a journalist.

And as a Molotov-cocktail-throwing opponent of the regime, I want to raise the number of arrests of journalists, because that makes the regime look bad, as shown by this thread. Even if every single arrest is of someone like me - a left-radical with a Twitter account, not Walter Cronkite or whoever - it's unlikely that anyone will bother to check, and even more unlikely that, if anyone bothers to check, very many other people will hear about it.

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Post by esyir »

riazrizvi wrote: post #127
indigochill wrote: post #18

One line from the report jumped out at me as I was skimming it: > About half the journalists here are freelancers, who may lack the institutional support of a newsroom and the financial resources for a potentially expensive legal defense. I hadn't really thought of the value of legal defense from journalism institutions (as opposed to non-institutional platforms like Substack) before.

Isn't it common knowledge that Gawker was a media company that irreverently covered silicon valley until it was bankrupted through litigation? The law courts are the main way that journalism is attacked in non-autocratic countries. Strong freedom of the press laws are celebrated, because they are constantly under siege by powerful people, who once targeted, would rather not have them.

If gawker is your example of journalism here, then i I'm perfectly fine with seeing it burn.

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Post by [deleted] »

AshWolfy wrote: post #433
abacadaba wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo he has hundreds(?) of examples if you scroll, but to save some time here's one from portland police https://twitter.com/PortlandPolice/status/128725192442150502... Edit: ok searching "press" on the feed maybe like more like tens rather than hundreds with actual video evidence, but im sure i missed some

Andy Ngo is known to use selective editing and openly lies about facts, and is not a valid source on anything\ A single instance of a protestor who falsely claimed to be press, and did not commit any crimes does not prove that people who claim to be journalists are throwing rocks or molotov cocktails.

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Post by esyir »

pdkl95 wrote: post #117
nickff wrote: post #103

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Sure, but at some point you have to define how a duck walks and how it quacks!

You only have to define the behavior: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_typing A journalist is someone that does journalism, just like a runner is someone that runs. The behavior "doing journalism" is simply reporting on something to an audience.

Then we're all journalists here for commenting to a global audience.

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Post by 80386 »

znpy wrote: post #403
throwaway894345 wrote: post #391

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No one is arguing that journalists are unimportant, only that an increase in journalist arrests could be a really scary thing like authoritarianism or it could be that they just had a lot more contact with crankier cops.

Oh yeah I agree with that, I was just arguing that especially because the US had more unrest it makes even more problematic that journalists got arrested. That's a symptom of the fact that the establishment does not want the press to document what it's doing, to the point that it's arresting journalists.

Is it a symptom of that, or is it a symptom of the fact that it's much easier for the sorts of people who'd go to protests and do things that get them arrested anyway to call themselves journalists?
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