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YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by gist »

zwkrt wrote: post #377
darrylb42 wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube premium gets rid of all the ads, unless creators have embedded them in the video. There is lots of good content for toddlers on YouTube, but it is unwatchable with ads. I watch more myself now all the ads are gone, plus you get youtube music, not as good as spotify but good enough.

I can't believe that you actually decided to be held hostage by google and pay them to remove content that they would otherwise only put in front of you if you were looking. Its like paying a restaurant not to harass you and then going to it when you could just go to the restaurant next door without the protection fee. There is also a lot of good content for toddlers IRL.

> decided to be held hostage by google and pay them to remove content that they would otherwise only put in front of you if you were looking. Its like paying a restaurant not to harass you and then going to it when you could just go to the restaurant next door without the protection fee.

Unclear why the attitude. Youtube is a business. It doesn't owe users anything for free regardless of what it did in the past or others have done.

Restaurants? You pay them to dine there. They operate at a profit or try to. And restaurants who offer either (or both) better food or experience get to charge more like any other product or service in life.

Sure google or any business does not exist to provide free things to people.

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Post by CharlesW »

rkagerer wrote: post #431

I've uploaded videos to YouTube that I've intentionally intended to be ad-free. I simply use it as a video hosting platform, since it's been more convenient and performant than rolling my own. Is there a way for a content-publisher to pay Google to not show videos on our ads?

Q: Since you're just using it as a host, what's keeping you from moving to Vimeo?

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Post by m4rtink »

ballenf wrote: post #255
f1refly wrote: post #125

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> on either my phone or my tablet (where I don't have access to AdBlock) I think it's amazing you're putting up with devices that work against you. If my phone would force me to watch ads I would get a new phone tomorrow.

How do you handle driving on roads with billboards? Or walking through a city? In most of the US, the number of outdoor places you can go without advertising attacking you is dwindling. Europe seems better regarding roads (fewer billboards and more highways with none) but similar in cities. The rise of blindingly bright LED billboards in the US feels like all the downsides of a sci-fi dystopian world without any of t…

Actually, most billboards around the roads in Czech Republic are being dismantled due to being too startling to drivers - the advertisers fought it quite hard, even placed big Czech flags instead of adds to the billboards due to some provision in the law saying you can't just remove a flag of the country. But the ultimately list and billboards around roads are going away.

Also more thought is now being given to "visual pollution" where unsightly advertising is bastardising valuable architecture in cities.

Hopefully both initiatives will proliferate alse to other countries. :)

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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zwkrt wrote: post #377
darrylb42 wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube premium gets rid of all the ads, unless creators have embedded them in the video. There is lots of good content for toddlers on YouTube, but it is unwatchable with ads. I watch more myself now all the ads are gone, plus you get youtube music, not as good as spotify but good enough.

I can't believe that you actually decided to be held hostage by google and pay them to remove content that they would otherwise only put in front of you if you were looking. Its like paying a restaurant not to harass you and then going to it when you could just go to the restaurant next door without the protection fee. There is also a lot of good content for toddlers IRL.

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Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by gist »

cableshaft wrote: post #4

I know there are several content creators (such as Jim Sterling) that have their videos ad-free as a perk for their supporters (since he's supported enough via Patreon). He's pretty angry about this change. I somewhat understand Google's stance on this, as it's a service that should be allowed to make money even on people who don't want to make money. They don't really have such a way to opt out of pretty much any ot…

> But at the same time, there are people who have so heavily invested into the YouTube ecosystem with certain expectations for a very long time, and pretty much have their entire business on there, so they can't very easily take their business elsewhere if they're unhappy with the change.

Anyone who has invested in creating content and thinking that it would be the way it was forever is naive and has learned a lesson. Most 'old timers' would realize (I know I would) that any business situation can change.

Likewise I fully expect Amazon once they have killed off the competition to raise prices on many items. Sure they will have loss leaders and sure they are already doing it. But it's business no expectation that they won't do what is in their best interest. And this is not a 'shareholder' thing it's a business thing. Same thing would happen if it were a small pizza shop that decided to lower prices and drive others out of business. As long as no rules are broken it's not any worse than a sports team doing whatever they can to win the game. They are not 'in the business' of making it good for others to win. (Same with online gaming).

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Post by intricatedetail »

andylei wrote: post #197
treis wrote: post #169

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This sort of thing needs to attract anti-competitive scrutiny at some point. Give away something for free, drive your competitors away, then raise prices is a text book anti-competitive move.

youtube is still free

You pay with your personal data and it is tax free for Google. This needs to be recognised as a loophole.

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Post by josefresco »

dimnsionofsound wrote: post #432
josefresco wrote: post #379

My kids (like most kids) spend a ton of time on YouTube. We pay for YouTube Premium to remove ads (no-brainer). How does YT compensate creators when the viewer is a Premium customer? Is it the same rate, or better than non-paid viewers?

Linus Sebastian from Linus Media Group has said somewhere that a YouTube premium viewer is worth several times as much as an ad-supported viewer apparently. Apologies for no citation on this.

Thanks. This makes me feel slightly better about my kids' YouTube consumption and my decision to pay for Premium.

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Post by boogies »

CharlesW wrote: post #442
rkagerer wrote: post #431

I've uploaded videos to YouTube that I've intentionally intended to be ad-free. I simply use it as a video hosting platform, since it's been more convenient and performant than rolling my own. Is there a way for a content-publisher to pay Google to not show videos on our ads?

Q: Since you're just using it as a host, what's keeping you from moving to Vimeo?

LBRY and bitchute can automatically mirror a YouTube channel for free. I think Peertube might be able to as well.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by mixmastamyk »

darrylb42 wrote: post #341
eplanit wrote: post #219

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It is superficially sad, but as you point out the 2nd order effects are really positive. Google has really done us all a favor by being actually more authentic: they're saying "We're an Advertising company ." (the period is said out loud). They are a tech company insofar as it serves their ad business. They're not a general tech company, and they have no interests or pursuits in anything else unless it is to develop…

YouTube premium gets rid of all the ads, unless creators have embedded them in the video. There is lots of good content for toddlers on YouTube, but it is unwatchable with ads. I watch more myself now all the ads are gone, plus you get youtube music, not as good as spotify but good enough.

Youtube should not be watched by kids, it even has a minimum age of 13 in the TOS. Then what?

PBS Kids FTW. No ads, no harmful content, and (probably much) less surveillance.

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Post by lstamour »

zucked wrote: post #365
darrylb42 wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube premium gets rid of all the ads, unless creators have embedded them in the video. There is lots of good content for toddlers on YouTube, but it is unwatchable with ads. I watch more myself now all the ads are gone, plus you get youtube music, not as good as spotify but good enough.

Agreed. I had Youtube Premium through Google Play Music until Google finally axed GPM. I was so disappointed by how poorly Google handled that process that I cancelled my subscription and lost my YT premium. Youtube is completely unbearable without premium - I have no idea how non-subscribers tolerate Youtube content. The ads are so intrusive. I would totally pay $5-$10 per month for a Youtube only subscription but I…

FYI, YouTube Music received almost every feature of Google Play Music except the app design. An in-depth review of the two can be found over here: https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/10/24/google-play-music-t...

Personally I wish all these music streaming services could agree on metadata sharing such that I could enable apps like last.fm to review listening history across every service, and offer my listening history and playlists to every service to receive better recommendations. It feels odd that I can listen to the same song from 4-5 different services that I subscribe to legally, yet none of the services has a complete picture of what I like to listen to unless I pick one and use it as often as I can. I had thought that playlist sync would be a way to improve my recommendations, but it seems most services look at listening history rather than playlists. It's also irritating that every company has its own way of doing playback sync between devices, whether it's AirPlay, ChromeCast, Spotify Connect, Alexa, YouTube app, etc. There is no way things should be this fractured and hard to use for music playback and recommendation in the next decade, we need more standards. :)

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