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Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Post by ineedasername »

chongli wrote: post #395
ineedasername wrote: post #364

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Well, there's a wide variety of "American" style. First two main distinctions: NY/NJ style, which is generally the traditional American pizza. 1" crust, a little crispy, thin body, sauce, lots of cheese. This has a few variations though, most notable "thin crust", which is often cracker-thin and very firm & crispy, the body much thinner too. The other main variety is Chicago deep-dish pizza, which is very thick, anyw…

I’d like to chip in with a favourite of mine: Detroit style [1]. A rectangular pizza baked in a greased, shallow pan with cheese that goes all the way to the edge. The bottom comes out golden brown with a fried texture but the base is otherwise very light and fluffy. This gives a crispy/soft/chewy contrast with the sauce/cheese/pepperoni on top. This type of pizza can also handle more sauce and toppings than a New Yo…

Okay, Okay, so this is tough on me. I never thought of myself as a pizza fundamentalist. I didn't think I'd find a pizza hill to die on. But I also never thought anything like "Detroit" pizza existed. I can deal with the shape: Sicilian pizza has been a thing for a long time, and let's face it: Chicago deep dish is standing on the should of a giant when it improved on the thickness of Sicilian.

But cheese all the way to the edge, and browned crispy? That's almost too much. But not quite: It's the type of cheese. I don't see mozzarella in that link you posted, I don't even see the lesser trinity of 3 cheeses. I see something called "brick" cheese. That's just a bridge too far.

I won't be the one to push the button on this and trigger the fallout that comes with it, Detroit has enough problems as it is. But you need to hope the true pizza extremists don't hear about this. Maybe delete the post, or at least put a /s sarcasm flag on the end. Also at the beginning, and in the middle. Maybe one after each word.

Also Detroit pizza looks awesome and I want some right now.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Post by Rapzid »

It can't be worse TBH. If somebody told me "Yeah, so McDonald's has been using fake meat for the past decade" I wouldn't even dispute it.. "Ahh, that makes total sense".

Seriously though, I'm sure we've all had veggie and vegan burgers an order of magnitude better than what McDonald's passes off as a hamburger.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Post by jasonkester »

bransonf wrote: post #414

I always wonder what the vegetable vs meat market would look like without subsidies. Imagine a free market where the veggie burger at McD is $1 and the beef one is $5. How many people would opt for the vegetarian option? Instead, in the market which we have intervened, it’s the beef that cost $1 and the veggie burger $5. Obesity is driven in part by lack of affordability of vegetables and in terms of resources and po…

Would swapping the beef out of a Big Mac extra value meal (super sized) make enough of a difference that it didn’t make people fat?

Seems like you could attack that thing from a lot of different angles (smaller portions, not including a quart of sugar to drink, etc.) and get better results.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Post by vram22 »

throwaway3699 wrote: post #274
vram22 wrote: post #254

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Ha ha, yes, wonder how many people know Escherichia coli is a bacterium found in feces. Often quoted in the context of polluted / unhygienic water sources. Source: a relative, who was a biologist / chemist dealing with public water supplies.

I think most people know this.

What obmelvin said in this subthread:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25042243

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Post by kalleboo »

jasonkester wrote: post #443
bransonf wrote: post #414

I always wonder what the vegetable vs meat market would look like without subsidies. Imagine a free market where the veggie burger at McD is $1 and the beef one is $5. How many people would opt for the vegetarian option? Instead, in the market which we have intervened, it’s the beef that cost $1 and the veggie burger $5. Obesity is driven in part by lack of affordability of vegetables and in terms of resources and po…

Would swapping the beef out of a Big Mac extra value meal (super sized) make enough of a difference that it didn’t make people fat? Seems like you could attack that thing from a lot of different angles (smaller portions, not including a quart of sugar to drink, etc.) and get better results.

And how healthy are these heavily-processed plant-based patties anyway? French fries are also plant-based, that doesn't make them healthy in and of itself.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Post by cercatrova »

sweetheart wrote: post #384
realisticeater wrote: post #351

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How about because I don't care about it that much? Sometimes good food involves suffering. I'm glad we're at the top of the food chain. I'm not about to give up my steak, I'm not about to give up my cheese, I'm certainly not about to give up my foie gras. I don't think we should go out of our way to hurt animals (for example intensive chicken production where you have overcrowded operations where chickens stay in the…

> Sometimes good food involves suffering It never needs to. You're performing mental gymnastics, I'm sorry. It's never true that this sort of immense suffering just needs to magical occur for the world to operate normally. There are limitless delicious recipes that require 0 suffering, 0 pain, 0 murder. > I don't think we should go out of our way to hurt animals That's what the entirety of animal agriculture is. We g…

Why would it never need to? I can say that a steak is a good food, and by vegans' definition it involves the suffering of a cow, and therefore, sometimes good food involves suffering.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Post by buryat »

ixwt wrote: post #422
JamesBarney wrote: post #420

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You are way overestimating the effect of subsidies.

I'll dig up the source later, but some studies show that each hamburger has an $8 subsidy behind it. I don't think the parent comment is way over stating the effects of subsidies.

come back with sources, right now it's just a claim

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Post by tluyben2 »

porknubbins wrote: post #371
thelean12 wrote: post #291

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I grew up on pizza in the NYC/NJ area. The Italian styles with minimal cheese are a disappointment to me. Many are able to get the crust and sauce perfect, which is no small feat, and then it feels like they just gave up with the cheese. Pizza in NYC usually not only has great crust and sauce, but it also has plenty of cheese. They don't "overload" it like many places outside the area. (I am purposely separating "Piz…

Its a tradeoff made differently in the US/ Italy. The Naples style pizza uses “fresh” buffalo mozzarella which releases a lot of water. It has a nice creamy flavor but you can’t cover a thin crust pizza in it without it becoming soggy. What we call mozzarella in the US is actually low moisture mozzarella and one of its advantages is you can cover a whole pizza in it.

The 'soggy' is a part of the experience; not really disgusting soggy but definitely something you cannot pick up as a slice; the toppings would fall off. Italians eat them generally with fork & knife, but if you want, you can fold the slices 2x (sides to eachother like you would do and then fold the point into there as well and then you can pick it up by the crust).

The basic thing which I have seen as big difference; you have to cook these pizzas from going into the oven to plate in immediately eat it. If you leave it only for a bit even, to me it is no longer good.

That's where the low moisture (which here they equate with lower quality, not sure if that's true, but more moist is considered better) mozzarella comes in handy; if you want to serve slices over a period of 30min or you want to deliver a pizza etc, you really cannot use this Italian style as far as I have seen and tried.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Post by spiderfarmer »

buryat wrote: post #447
ixwt wrote: post #422

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I'll dig up the source later, but some studies show that each hamburger has an $8 subsidy behind it. I don't think the parent comment is way over stating the effects of subsidies.

come back with sources, right now it's just a claim

The only sources I can find are NGO's with an obvious agenda. Just like the sources that say how much water is used for one pound of beef.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Post by crooked-v »

NewOrderNow wrote: post #363
crooked-v wrote: post #361

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Vegans object to eating animal products , not to eating things that happen to resemble animal products.

You just repeated yourself. So I ask again why when you claim that this is something you think is bad. By conception, you want something that is not what you claim to desire. It is engineered and the opposite of natural by design.

First, I'm not a vegan. Second, vegans avoid animal products because they come from animals. Various imitation and substitute products do not come from animals and so are not avoided.

Or, tl;dr: You do realize soy milk is very popular among vegans, right?

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