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Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Post by revel »

To me this seems pretty straightforward. App Stores are directly tied and bundled with the operating system. Within the device universe there are basically 2 choices of operating systems. This is an extremely concentrated industry with an extremely high HHI. Apple and Google favor their own products and discriminate against competitors and have done for years. They also extract rent from other companies forced to use their App Stores far in excess of the services they provide.

MS vs European Commission found that the company illegally bundled Internet Explorer with their Operating System to the detriment of customer and at the expense of other businesses. Almost everything about current OS and App Store bundle seems essentially identical. To me this could not be more clear.

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Post by DivisionSol »

bluedevil2k wrote: post #390
pb7 wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this different than "if developers are happy and willingly develop for iOS then [the fees] are not a rip-off"?

The developers aren’t happy. No one forces a Fortnite player to buy skins or emotes, Apple forces developers to pay the fee.

Er, no one is forcing any developer to make an app for iOS.

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Post by strictnein »

Razengan wrote: post #131
burlesona wrote: post #114

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Yes, it means Sony has to add Steam to PS5 or else it is narrow and arbitrary. To me the iPhone is a console, end of story. If you like the console experience, it’s a great device. If you don’t, there are a million android and even alternative OS based phones out there which are more like a PC. If you want your phone to be a PC, you should do what most people around the world do and buy one of those. Instead we have…

> To me the iPhone is a console, end of story. If you like the console experience, it’s a great device. If you don’t, there are a million android and even alternative OS based phones out there which are more like a PC. If you want your phone to be a PC, you should do what most people around the world do and buy one of those. This! A hundred times over, and over again. An iPhone is an iPhone, competing with a million…

The discussion here is about App Stores.

Apple has one, which is the dominant one in the US. Most of the rest of the mobile app market is controlled by Google.

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Post by therouwboat »

tombert wrote: post #378
clansimus wrote: post #329

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Because "great for developers" just shouldn't matter. It should be about what the consumers want.

A worse time for developers means worse apps, worse apps means less-happy consumers. They aren't mutually exclusive.

Im pretty unhappy with epic store exlusives since they have no linux client.

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Post by tshaddox »

nicetryguy wrote: post #388
clansimus wrote: post #329

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Because "great for developers" just shouldn't matter. It should be about what the consumers want.

That's an easy opinion to have when it's not your livelihood. Does consumer centric focus necessitate draconian developer policies?

Many people's livelihood is malware development, probably including many people who think it's unethical and would prefer to have another livelihood if there was an option. I genuinely feel bad for those people, but I still think blocking malware is the right decision for an OS or software distribution platform.

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Post by M4v3R »

criddell wrote: post #137
karpierz wrote: post #115

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I agree, but the fundamental question is do you want the government to regulate what kind of OS interface should be legal?

When it's good for consumers, sure. At one point AT&T was required to allow consumers to buy and connect their own handsets rather than only allowing them to rent from AT&T. Isn't that similar?

> Isn't that similar?

No, what you described was a simple change in how the product was distributed. Forcing Apple to engineer a way to add 3rd party app stores on their platform would require significant engineering effort from them and changing their operating system internals significantly.

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Post by strictnein »

electriclove wrote: post #3

Apple built their controlled ecosystem and set their rules. And now others are insisting that Apple should not have that control (even when they themselves are doing the same thing).

"Standard Oil built their ecosystem and set their rules."

"AT&T built their ecosystem and set their rules."

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