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Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by avianlyric »

kllrnohj wrote: post #237
avianlyric wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP is talking is quoting a support article about manual claims, and how google require these manual claims must include a timestamp and description. Something that is notably missing from the strikes shown in the video. GP is saying that their system shouldn’t let copyright claimants just ignore Google’s policy. Which is clearly what’s happened here. Which just further demonstrates Google’s contempt for its creators.

Those are manual claims via YouTube's non-DMCA system. YouTube still has to respect DMCA claims and YouTube cannot impose requirements on DMCA notices. If it's a valid legal DMCA complaint, YouTube must comply. Google's policy is irrelevant here as it's not law. The point of confusion here is that there's multiple ways to issue a copyright strike on YouTube. If this is via YouTube's internal mechanisms, then yeah thi…

DMCA notices must include:

> (ii) Identification of the copyrighted work claimed to have been infringed, or, if multiple copyrighted works at a single online site are covered by a single notification, a representative list of such works at that site. [1]

Now a timestamp isn’t required in a DMCA notice, but a description of the copyrighted work being infringed upon (i.e. a description of what has been stolen, not just a link to the supposed stolen article) is required to make it a valid notice.

In the video, the creator shows an email and YouTube page where Google claims that they haven’t been given a description of the copyrighted work being infringed upon.

If that’s true, then the DMCA notice given to YouTube is invalid, and once again YouTube demonstrates how little it cares about creators.

[1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/512

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by tgtweak »

pdkl95 wrote: post #344

> I run a YouTube channel that is over 10 years old , has over 770,000 subscribers , almost 600 public videos , 120,000,000 views When writing software involved in managing a live, public, massively multi-user system, the traditional unix-style commands that are immediate, often silent, and capable of damaging effects become a really easy way to shoot yourself in the foot. Worse, some commands might let you accidenta…

Where is Bryan anyway he's been unusually quiet and I know he lurks on HN.

bcantrill where art thou

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by malwarebytess »

titzer wrote: post #357
titzer wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's mostly because: A.) They don't know why, algorithms did it. B.) They can't be bothered looking into it, because you aren't spending enough money. C.) Their systems have now classified you as a scammer and you are now irredemable. D.) They don't want to leak any details that help scammers learn how to get around automated anti-fraud/abuse systems. edit to add: E.) The reason might be something utterly embarrassin…

Let me also add a counter-point to my own point: Google is subject to an absolute metric crapton of abuse. With a revenue stream that massive and warchest that huge, they are a constant target for scammers the world over. It's a total warzone out there, not just in terms of cybersecurity but also in terms of fraud and abuse. If you think Nigerian prince scams are bad, just put some serious (nefarious) brainpower behi…

That sounds like a problem that is ordinarily dealt with by having human beings, who don't operate on a script, on the other end of the line. You can't automate everything, google.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by cortesoft »

core-questions wrote: post #364
tristor wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you want free speech go to your door, walk outside, start taking. You got your free speech. Everything else is a bonus. This argument is reductio ad absurdum, except executed against an argument you support. De-platforming online is in opposition to free speech, and the fact you can walk out your front door with a sign does not mitigate the loss of equal power behind your speech that others enjoy by using Intern…

Well, here's the thing: their actual opposition is not truly to _free speech_ per se, it's to particular ideas that they want to quash. Whether or not there's a legitimate reason to dissuade people from thinking about those ideas is a different question.

It's not always about dissuading people from thinking about those ideas, it is about me not wanting to hear them.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by ilikehurdles »

heartbeats wrote: post #410
ilikehurdles wrote: post #399

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. I'm specifically calling out that the government is not impeding. Other private actors are sharing bad things you did and exercising their Freedom of Association to disassociate from you. They shouldn't be forced to carry you around. That's it. It's the free market deciding. All speech has consequences. You, the free speech enthusiast, not being prepared to pay those consequences is not cause for a government bai…

If all speech has consequences, and there's nothing wrong with putting consequences to speech, what's wrong with the government doing so?

Well you can't reasonably opt-in or opt-out of a government, and you can't do much to change it if your saying you want a change lands you in jail for criminal speech. You can't freely associate to spread your message or convince others. If on the other hand, the government protects your speech from its own intervention, and you have a popular view that is unwelcome on some website like twitter, you're still able to freely associate with other sympathetic people, build an audience, and discuss your views elsewhere. The consequence in one scenario is jail and in the other is having to use or build Gab.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by hahajk »

pdkl95 wrote: post #344

> I run a YouTube channel that is over 10 years old , has over 770,000 subscribers , almost 600 public videos , 120,000,000 views When writing software involved in managing a live, public, massively multi-user system, the traditional unix-style commands that are immediate, often silent, and capable of damaging effects become a really easy way to shoot yourself in the foot. Worse, some commands might let you accidenta…

and if you start implementing these sanity checks, they better be everywhere. Operators will start to rely on them and might become careless - they believe the system will catch any egregious typo. The one spot where the sanity check isn’t implemented will become more vulnerable.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by Covzire »

Gene_Parmesan wrote: post #259
core-questions wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see you've rediscovered the publisher vs. platform dichotomy! Those of us who believe in free speech understand that people will say things we don't like, and further understand that the sacrifice of ignoring content we dislike is worth it for the greater principle. I know this is difficult when people are saying things you believe to be untrue, but thus far nobody has come up with an alternative that doesn't resul…

I've never understood people's conflation of "I do not like your speech" with "censorship." A bookstore refusing to carry books by certain authors is in no way censorship, for instance (the books still exist, just not in that bookstore), yet when we bring things into the digital realm for some reason people seem to lose the distinction. Let me put it this way. Nothing is stopping hateful people from creating their ow…

The problem with your analogy is how you define bookstore. If there were dozens of Youtube "bookstores" in every major city this wouldn't be an issue but functionally speaking every city or town or hamlet has the same 2 or 3 bookstores to choose from and they're all awful at supporting freedom of speech.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by blackearl »

kllrnohj wrote: post #227
blackearl wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youtube works in its own little court, they're not real DMCA notices. Otherwise companies wouldn't be allowed to blanket claim random stuff with no repercussions.

How do you know these aren't real DMCA notices? From the video it's a manual claim, which means it's not Content-ID. The email he received from the support agent also specifically states that they responded to a "complete and valid takedown notice." It also doesn't have the required information that YouTube's manual non-contentid system requires. And, finally, the creator issued a counter claim (stated at 2:40) and s…

0:30 he says "without any evidence at all". A DMCA notice should have "identifying infringing material clearly and specifically". Even though it sounds like a real DMCA notice, it still sounds like YT isn't facilitating it correctly. At 3:55 he mentions not being able to get this information. Seconds later he mentions YT doesn't mediate disputes. So what's going on here? Through their strike system and communicating to both parties, are they not mediating this? It looks more like a DMCA against YT, in which they immediately roll over, allow the company to file false DMCAs with no repercussion, and tell the content creator "kick rocks"

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by dvtrn »

wlll wrote: post #295
bsder wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You either overthrow The King, or you depend on his largesse and submit to his whims. "We don't care. We don't have to. We're Google." https://vimeo.com/355556831

What does "overthrow the king" look like when the alternatives are uploading your videos to other sites and getting a handful of views? It's like the alternative really is "depend on his largesse and submit to his whims beacuse you can't overthrow the king because he is too powerful". Like it or not YouTube is in an extremely solid position that is unlikely to be shifted by anyone at this point.

What does "overthrow the king" look like

I often hear the “host your own content” but I don’t feel like there is an equally vocal “make it discoverable, too” crowd. That is until I discovered the indieweb.

The indieweb’s usage of microformats and features like “webmentions” that can be crawled ad hoc, enabling decentralized, federated discovery (example: http://indieweb.xyz) is the web that-IMO-we should have gotten. Not one dominated by corporatized, professionalized platforms

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by Bedon292 »

pdkl95 wrote: post #344

> I run a YouTube channel that is over 10 years old , has over 770,000 subscribers , almost 600 public videos , 120,000,000 views When writing software involved in managing a live, public, massively multi-user system, the traditional unix-style commands that are immediate, often silent, and capable of damaging effects become a really easy way to shoot yourself in the foot. Worse, some commands might let you accidenta…

Reminds me of when s3 went down in 2017, and took a chunk of the internet with it (to include their own status dashboard) due to someone entering a command wrong.

https://aws.amazon.com/message/41926/

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