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Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Great, the butterfly keys were an enormous downgrade in terms of comfort, and one of the reasons I sold my 2017 Macbook Pro. But will they still keep that awful touchbar where the Esc and F1-12 are supposed to be? Then I'll still be passing.

> But will they still keep that awful touchbar where the Esc and F1-12 are supposed to be?

If you use the escape key often, it should be where caps-lock is. Mac OS X even has a built-in setting for this.

If you only use it once in a while, it doesn't really matter that it's a virtual touch key.

F1-12 has always been a horrible interface. They're too far away from home row. There's a reason why many hyper-optimized keyboads like Ergodox don't come with one. Letter-based keyboard shortcuts are always better, and are usually easier to remember because you can associate the letter they use with a word (Cmd+B for "Build").

The touch bar is objectively a better use of that space if you ask me, it just came with an unacceptable price jump. It's not that much better than the old key row

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I'll never understand the infatuation with mechanical kb's. I am old enough to be trained on them, but the low-travel scissor types are so much nicer to type and don't give you RSI.

They're infinitely more customizable, by not being (as) mass-produced, for one. I prefer keyswitches that have a lower weight and more travel than membrane switches, but if you legitimately prefer low-travel switches, those certainly exist in the mechanical realm too. The RSI point is significantly more controversial. Practically any type of laptop keyboard or non-split desktop keyboard puts your arms and wrists at u…

I'll just throw in one more anecdote, but I've never felt any pain whatsoever and used laptop keyboards my whole life (30 now), whereas whenever I've tried mechanical, and I've tried at least 5 now, I always revert within a few days due to discomfort/soreness. Even with a large wrist rest your hands are doing so much more work moving around.

I just don't find the idea that split keyboards are more "natural" to be true either. I've never felt a lack of comfort with the standard setup. Are there any well-done studies published on this?

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Apple has squandered a lot of its goodwill. It reminds me of my relationship with Microsoft products. As long as they were shipping, they were making money in the short term because people were coerced to buy in. For 5 damn years the Air didn't get a Retina display. Right now, I can't buy 2.8Ghz Macbook Pro unless I get the TouchBar. I can't buy an Air unless I settle for much lower specs. The dongles and USB-C are a…

I'm conflicted about the power adapter. I miss Magsafe. But I don't miss paying ~$80 when I (admittedly, stupidly) forget my charger on a trip. I can buy a $30 USB power brick, and then a USB C extension cable for a couple of dollars if I need a longer cable. My dream is a Magsafe cable. USB C on both ends, magnetic connector in the middle (or near one end). Best of both worlds. But Apple wouldn't be able to charge $…

My favorite MagSafe adapter ever has been a 3rd party one with a giant cable (that uses the '8' connector that is used by a lot of my TVs etc as well) which I bought on Amazon for $35 bucks. It also has 3, 2.1Amp USB-A ports for charging my phone / kindle / etc.

It's really great and has lasted for 2 years so far with zero problems.

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If Apple gets rid of the TouchBar + fixes the keyboard that'd eliminate 90% of the complaints against Macbook Pros.

The Touchbar is a source of many complaints? Or just a small slice of people who complain loudly? Anecdotally, I have many relatives with touchbar MacBook Pros and they haven’t complained about it. Is it possible that many people actually like the touchbar but they don’t spend their time on specialized forums singing its praises? It just seems like the assumption that people hate the touchbar is selection bias. Aside…

Guaranteed anyone who doesn’t mind just doesn’t need to use escape very much.

The problem with touchbar is it’s hard to use without looking at it - like most professionals do because it’s just muscle memory.

Give me a real escape and I won’t mind the rest being a touch Bar.

But I hope they make it like gaming keyboards that have real keys with tiny lcd displays on so you can customise the function but still have a real key to press.

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I desperately hope this is true. I have the first MacBook Pro that came with the Touch Bar, and it's the worst computer I've ever owned. The keyboard has failed twice, and the Touch Bar is inferior to the old hardware keys in every way. I hate it. The only reason I got it is because the MacBook Air it replaced was dying and I couldn't wait any more. Assuming this report is true, my only remaining worry is that they w…

What will likely happen is Apple will replace Touch Bar with keys, and add OLED / e-ink screens on those keys.

This would be superb

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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It may make a bit more noise than the older one, but it certainly does not make "a lot" of noise. And the short travel is also not a problem, just a personal preference. As I said, I much prefer it, as do many others.

> but it certainly does not make "a lot" of noise Personal anecdote but I was on an film set recently with mine, I'd planned to just work away because I was only going to be needed if things went wrong but on a quiet set I actually felt the keyboard was so noisy that I'd worry it would be getting picked up on the microphones. It felt uncomfortably loud even if they're filming a good 10 meters away. I actually do like…

I often travel with public transport, including by train. Noisy people on smartphone is annoying, but there is a silence coupe where people have to be silent. So you can go sit there, right? Then it becomes apparent how noisy these newer Apple MBPs are. Whenever I get annoyed by the noise of a laptop, it is that.

And unfortunately I cannot listen to music and read... I wish I could! But I can't...

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It's almost always better to strive for what's better. Innovation can lead to more accessibility, time savings, etc.

It’s hard for me to see how a touchscreen keyboard is better or in what ways it increases accessibility or time savings.

Let's start with the zero moving parts and completely impervious to liquid spills or crumbs. Obviously it has to be, first and foremost, a great keyboard. To be determined whether it's possible to achieve, but it's certainly a worthwhile goal.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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You can pry my early 2015 macbook air from my cold dead hands! Easily the best laptop I have ever used, sturdy, cool to touch, lightweight, keyboard is fantastic and never hurts to use for a long time.

I want Apple to release this same model with updated specs, why ruin a great formula by adding touchbar which I never ever ever use. It's like the R&D department/marketing had to use their budget or lose it and they cooked something up which made no sense but looked cool in promos.

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I bought a maxed out 2013 mbp instead. Was ready to buy a brand new one cash in hand but couldn't bring myself to do it. Still waiting...

I have the 2015 MBP and I think it's the best laptop they've ever built.

Agreed. Still on a 2013 model at home and every time I use it after the new one I have at work I love it even more. Please please hold out another year so I can upgrade to something that actually works
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