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Update Regarding Add-Ons in Firefox

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Re: Update Regarding Add-Ons in Firefox

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Post by interfixus »

huhtenberg wrote: post #316

Can we take a moment and consider the side effects? This is a once in a lifetime chance for Google & Co. to get a glimpse of all those sly fuckers hiding behind adblockers. This effectively uncloaked a very specific subset of Internet users and exposed them to the very companies that they've been actively trying to avoid. Not just those who avoid Chrome, but those who take extra steps to explicitly evade the tracking…

When disaster kicked in, my Firefox prominently displayed a yellow bar informing me that addons had been disabled due to [whatever].

So I wasn't exactly left unaware that Bad Stuff had happened. I could - and did - shut the thing down, apply a fix, and be back up running normally within a few minutes.

My particular brand of fix: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Firefox#Firefox_disable...

Re: Update Regarding Add-Ons in Firefox

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Post by ripdog »

gnud wrote: post #158

I'm not gonna bother with 'studies' or manual workaround - I'm just going to wait for an update. In the meantime I'm enjoying trying out Vivaldi[1] - really reminds me of opera 3/4, that I loved. 1: https://vivaldi.com

Hmm, I'm not sure switching to a closed source browser is in any way an upgrade...

Especially when you could switch to the unbranded/nightly firefox builds, disable addon signature checking and continue using the only independent FOSS browser remaining.

Re: Update Regarding Add-Ons in Firefox

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Post by jzl »

anonymousab wrote: post #390
dimator wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I lose all tabs occasionally. Browsers aren't perfect, it does happen after a weird crash, or something. It's exceedingly rare, like maybe twice a year. With that said, I've always considered tabs to be volatile state. Browsers make their best effort to e.g. restore the previous session after a crash, but if you want non-volatile browser state, you should use bookmarks.

It's not just tabs, but for many users the containers themselves are gone - as well as their cookies and other associated assumed-to-be-non-ephemeral state.

Yep. I just got hit by the bug. Enabled studies, got the fix, but all my configured containers are gone. NOT happy right now.

Re: Update Regarding Add-Ons in Firefox

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Post by ripdog »

superkuh wrote: post #186
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla killed XPCOM because it was actively preventing improving Firefox. In particular, Firefox could finally go multiprocess, and other improvements of the Quantum project are slowly being incorporated.

A lot of people don't view that (or other changes) as improvement. I personally hate multi-process browsers because they eat RAM like nothing else. In my browser of choice I normally run 200-500 active tabs and I stay under ~3 GB of ram usage. With a multi-process browser that'd be impossible.

I don't know if you've forgotten, but under that old use case (hundreds of tabs in one process), Firefox would bog down further and further as background tabs stole more and more main thread time, eventually only a restart of the browser would restore it to usability.

In 2019, I still use hundreds of tabs - and Firefox handles it with grace. RAM is there to be used, and this is the perfect use for it.

Re: Update Regarding Add-Ons in Firefox

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Post by ripdog »

MichaelBravo wrote: post #257

Mozilla, what ever the fuck your trying to fix, at least fix the add blockers asap & let us get tat fix before you work for hours on the rest of whatever the helm your doing. My uBlock has been good on my android for years, there is no reason it shouldn't be good now. Your reason for blocking as I've seen is that other develoers may have hacked your shit or done such but if you block our use of our ad blockers then w…

First, take a deep breath and calm down. No one category of addon is more affected by this than any other, and Mozilla has no way of 'fixing ad blockers' before anything else. Once the signing certificate is replaced, all addons will work.

Simply turn on studies and allow it to install the new cert, and you'll be on your way.

Re: Update Regarding Add-Ons in Firefox

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Post by Aeolun »

usecontainers wrote: post #156
overgard wrote: post #96

I know Firefox isn't being malicious, but ugh, this seems like the worst possible PR move for this, optics wise. "Hey so uh, we accidentally broke your browser, so you need to opt-in to becoming a guinney pig. But don't worry! You probably were already opted in anyway and just didn't realize it! Also it might take six hours to work."

So that's pretty unfair. 1) They state they are working on a fix for normal, release channel users who don't want to run studies 2) they tell you to temporarily run studies to get the fix within up to 6 six hours (could be faster; set expectation) 3) You can explicitly install nightly or 66.4 before it's pushed if you want a fix now Yes, it's unfortunate, I'd expect them to meet it head on, push a tested fix in a tim…

My expectation is that something like this doesn’t happen in the first place.

Given that it has happened, I expect them to provision a new certificate and push a fixed version within an hour or two to all release channels.

What I would emphatically ‘not’ expect, is a hack that might take up to 6 hours to be applied.

Re: Update Regarding Add-Ons in Firefox

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Post by dang »

isoskeles wrote: post #419
mthoms wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe they take offence at your overall tone? You're clearly not interested in being constructive. This kind of toxicity is exactly why many of us have "uninstalled" Reddit and the like. Please refrain from bringing that toxicity to HN.

“Many commenters have spent their Saturday morning pushing a narrative that appeals to emotion.” “Toxicity.” Goes both ways.

Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments to Hacker News?

Re: Update Regarding Add-Ons in Firefox

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Post by kerng »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #374
lilyball wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate that attitude from entitled users so much. If you don't want security, you're welcome to have a malware-ridden system, but don't think that this means all users should have to put up with malware-ridden systems.

> If you don't want security, you're welcome to have a malware-ridden system No, I am apparently not. Microsoft, Apple, and others insist on making it difficult. At least I found out today that I can install unsigned Firefox extensions once I switch to a special "unbranded" build. I'm glad Mozilla, at least, still offers that. Here's the thing: I disable a lot of the security stuff you're not supposed to disable, whe…

This is quiet funny, because you are 100% infected with a virus. How would you know that you are not?

Malware that does obvious bad things like cripple the machine or encrypt the drive is minority.

But it's actually not funny, it's dangerous. This behavior endangers others.

Likely your computers have been a zombie in a botnet for many years - I'm always wondering how these large botnets can exist at such scale.

This is why one day we all will not be allowed to use computers without a "driving license".

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