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Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Why do people keep saying "Chrome supports push on Android" to criticize my comment which says "iOS chrome doesn't support push"? It feels like talking to a wall almost.

It's a paragraph long post. One sentence accurately says iOS Chrome (which is really Safari outside of Google's control with Chrome UI due to iOS restrictions) doesn't currently support push. The rest talks about it wouldn't make sense for Facebook to implement this (they already did), a rant about this being Google specific technology (it is not), and not being an open standard (it is).

Maybe you should go back and read again.

> Even if Chrome had push notification on iOS

This is what I said. And this applies to rest of the paragraph. Also open standard has absolutely nothing to do with this, and that was exactly my point. You guys think just because it's open standard it's all open and good, but my point was it is not. The reality is Google and Apple are effectively duopoly when it comes to anything push notification related (GCM is the gatekeeper for Android, APNS is the gatekeeper for iOS). So it doesn't matter if a technology is open standard, it wouldn't even matter if it was completely open source. The reality is your push MUST go through either Apple or Google.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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The web app version has a whole lot of features that the installed app doesn't: * It takes up zero phone memory. Yes, this is still an issue on really cheap Android phones. [0] * It takes up zero phone resources, unlike the Facebook app, which is known for slowing down your entire phone . [1] * The messenger app wants to send me notifications about stupid things and collect personal data using its over-broad permissi…

Takes up zero memory and resources, that must be some magical web app. Notifications, they can be turned off. Messenger is not a just another chat ecosystem, it is THE chat ecosystem. The messenger app is not resource intensive, it works fine. What makes you think Google, Microsoft and the Slack teams intentions are more "pure" than Facebook? Facebook is not spying on you, as much as you like to think your special, n…

>Takes up zero memory and resources, that must be some magical web app.

Sarcasm much?

If I'm not using it, it's using no resources. When I'm using it, then duh, it uses transient resources in Chrome, but when I close the tab, it's back to zero. If I end up using it once every two months, the amortized resource usage is probably 0.1% of an app that needs to receive push notifications.

>Messenger is not a just another chat ecosystem, it is THE chat ecosystem.

Shill much? I just tried to check to see how many people had even tried to contact me in the last year on Messenger, and it looks like I've received about 5 messages in 12 months. But it's hard to tell, because the web app keeps crashing/locking up. No other chat ecosystem I'm connected to behaves that poorly.

If you're using it with all your friends, have a blast. Just don't expect me to respond quickly if you message me; email on my secondary email account would be faster. When I checked just now I found a message that I hadn't noticed and that had sat, unanswered, for 9 months. Not the best way to get a hold of me.

>What makes you think Google, Microsoft and the Slack teams intentions are more "pure" than Facebook?

Nothing. But Hangouts is on my (Android) phone and in my life anyway. Skype is what business contacts seem to always want to use; I swear it has a 99.9% market penetration for companies that do remote work or hire remote workers. Skype also has awesome Skype-to-phone calling, including 3-way calls, that works great with my high quality microphone and speakers, so I can talk hands free and everyone can understand me well. And Slack is ideal for group and work-team hangouts.

Why would I buy into another ecosystem? Just so that I can install yet another app on my phone and on my desktop? I am very reachable by email. If you know my name, you can likely find a contact email for me within 15 minutes. If someone doesn't have my email address and doesn't care enough to put in 2-15 minutes of "research" to find it, I'm not sure if I care whether they can easily contact me. And if they must use Messenger, well, I'm sure I'll see their message eventually.

>as much as you like to think your special, no one cares what you, yourself do.

I'll just leave these here:

http://www.geek.com/news/facebook-like-button-tracks-you-eve...

http://www.ted.com/talks/alessandro_acquisti_why_privacy_mat...

https://www.teachprivacy.com/10-reasons-privacy-matters/

https://www.ted.com/talks/glenn_greenwald_why_privacy_matter...

Many of these focus on government access to information, but many times companies have just handed over anything the government has asked for without a fight. Facebook absolutely is watching me along with billions of other people. No, no one at Facebook cares, but they're compiling a huge dossier on practically everyone on the planet. So is Google, but I believe that Google at least tries to Do No Harm. And I don't use Gmail as my primary mail service, either -- I also use Duck Duck Go for most of my searches.

I just think it's not healthy for any one company to have too much information about everyone. Makes an oppressive government's job too easy, if one should arise coughTrumpcough.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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So rather than fixing the problems that result in users messaging via the mobile web app instead of the messenger app, they're just going to "solve" the problem by forcing users to use the messenger app? This is why Facebook as a company doesn't have high levels of consumer trust. This will bite them in the future. Once you lose that level of trust it is extremely difficult to gain back.

no.they need their users on messenger because they have big plans for that app. there are already businesses connecting with customers through messenger.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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post #433

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Takes up zero memory and resources, that must be some magical web app. Notifications, they can be turned off. Messenger is not a just another chat ecosystem, it is THE chat ecosystem. The messenger app is not resource intensive, it works fine. What makes you think Google, Microsoft and the Slack teams intentions are more "pure" than Facebook? Facebook is not spying on you, as much as you like to think your special, n…

>Takes up zero memory and resources, that must be some magical web app. Sarcasm much? If I'm not using it, it's using no resources. When I'm using it, then duh , it uses transient resources in Chrome, but when I close the tab, it's back to zero. If I end up using it once every two months, the amortized resource usage is probably 0.1% of an app that needs to receive push notifications. >Messenger is not a just another…

Sarcasm, you stated no memory and resources, thats not true. Shill no, Facebook is the largest connected social network, thats fact. If I want to message someone ill know they have a Facebook account. Just because you have biased, anecdotal evidence about you receiving 5 messages in 12 months from Messenger doesn't mean squat.

Unlike your oddball use case, the majority of people want notifications for messaging apps. Crazy right, why would people want to know when their friends have messaged them, what weirdos. Notifications are not resource intensive, power hungry services that kill your phone, but if you don't want them turn them off!

I don't know what setup you have but its obviously bad if basic things like messenger and web apps crash on you. Millions of people use these apps without issue, why do you have so many problems?

You like Skype, thats wonderful, many people don't, thus why Messenger is more popular. This thread is about Facebook removing the Messenger web app, its not called 'What apps SomeCallMeTim has on his busted phone that keeps crashing'. You use Hangout and Skype, so why do you even care if Facebook removes the web app version you received 5 messages on in the past 12 months that crashes on your phone?

Does Facebook removing the web app somehow decrease security for you? Stop whinging about security and then spruik services from Google and Microsoft, its stupid.

Im done talking to you. You obviously have some real issues with Facebook you need to address on a personal level.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Interestingly, it lets me use the mobile webapp messaging without asking me to do anything. Because the OS I'm on has no Messenger app, and it probably will never have one. So if you spoof your UA string, it may stop bugging you and let you use messenger as usual.

I'm on a blackberry passport and have also not seen this change (yet). I'll be proactively moving away from facebook as a communication / messenger as they'll more than likely close these loose ends.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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There's a ton of reasons to not use Messenger. 1. The mandatory "seen" indicator 2. All of your messages are beholden to a private company, permanently stored in plaintext 3. They analyze said messages to deliver advertisements. Seriously, one time I mentioned buying a Samsung SSD to my friend in chat, and all of a sudden I got a ton of SSD advertisements on the sidebar. Same thing when I mentioned Rick and Morty. 4.…

Most of these sound like reasons not to use Facebook in general. While the seen indicator is a legitimate annoyance, it's been commonplace for some years now. I don't know of a modern chat app that doesn't have it. As for the rest of your points, Facebook's money comes from ads. These concerns are not limited to chat, but using Facebook in general. As you browse the web, Facebook is tracking you and using the data to…

I'm waiting for the next chat service to emulate the 'ytalk' and 'talkd' practice of the 1980s to echo all keystrokes to the other party as they're typed, rather than waiting for the user to press send.

"Instant Messaging" indeed!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk_(software)

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Yeah, first they threw out xmpp, so I couldn't use my preffered messaging app, then they kill messaging in the web view, forcing me to give up messaging or move to their messaging app, with intrusive permissions. This after they've soundly established that they don't respect users, with how they mangled addressbooks with an earlier version of the fb app. At least, since they're closing access from alternative sources…

The Facebook app on Android actually works fine without any special permissions. If you disable them all via the new methods in Marshmallow, it just continues trucking on. Of course they'll never stop asking for the extra permissions, but its functionality is pretty equivalent to the mobile site even with no intrusive permissions.

The Facebook app is a memory hog though, and was causing UI lag in other apps on my phone. I have very little idea how it was doing that, but when I removed it, the lag stopped.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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There's a ton of reasons to not use Messenger. 1. The mandatory "seen" indicator 2. All of your messages are beholden to a private company, permanently stored in plaintext 3. They analyze said messages to deliver advertisements. Seriously, one time I mentioned buying a Samsung SSD to my friend in chat, and all of a sudden I got a ton of SSD advertisements on the sidebar. Same thing when I mentioned Rick and Morty. 4.…

>2. All of your messages are beholden to a private company, permanently stored in plaintext >3. They analyze said messages to deliver advertisements. Seriously, one time I mentioned buying a Samsung SSD to my friend in chat, and all of a sudden I got a ton of SSD advertisements on the sidebar. Same thing when I mentioned Rick and Morty. These are poor complaints, unless your circle of friends is so insular on the the…

You appear to have no problem with a company building up a profile of your likes and dislikes, so they can try and sell stuff to you. That's fine. Why expect that of others, though?

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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I use the facebook app quite a bit, and its never used more than a few precent of my battery in the battery stats on Android, and usually significantly less than my mail client(K-9 Mail) so I never understood the meme that the facebook app uses a ton of battery. Just having the screen on is going to use more battery than the facebook app.

YMMV, but on my phone (HTC One M8), Facebook is almost always the top battery user as shown in the Android battery usage report. And on my old phone (a venerable HTC Desire HD), Facebook's decision to make me install Messenger in addition to the regular app some time ago was the turning point from low latency and good user experience to overall lag in the phone.

I have a Nexus 5 and its never shown up as the top battery user, usually it's the actual phone app or the screen.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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I call shenanigans for two reasons: 1) you can never assume a recipient ever has their phone on, with them and in a non-silent mode 2) users can disable push notifications for individual apps anyway

For some reason I feel like I have become some sort of FB defender, but I am not. Just to be clear, I am not a fan of FB. I even completely got rid of my FB account a year ago because I got sick of fake interactions on the site and have never looked back. I am happy with communicating with close people just via text and other special purpose communication apps. That said, the reasons you mention are pretty edge cases…

Mobile web is an edge case, too.

Shenanigans!

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