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Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Post by suprjami »

crindy wrote: post #415
gcr wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see it the opposite way. Using Messenge could give you a great way to use facebook without subjecting yourself to the News Feed Giant Tentacled Monster. Why not use Messenger without Facebook? My reason not to use Facebook was because it trivializes friendships. With Facebook, I wouldn't have to go out of my way to be "friends" with someone, so the relationship would be less meaningful. But Messenger doesn't share…

I'm just gonna go ahead and mention [messenger.com]( https://www.messenger.com/ ) for anyone who agrees with you and doesn't know about it. It's essentially the messenger app in the browser, so you can access your Facebook messages without even coming across the news feed, any ads, etc.

All I get is a big ad to install the app from Google Play.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Post by calsy »

SomeCallMeTim wrote: post #381
calsy wrote: post #279

So much complaining. The web app version is crap, of course they want to move people over to the app. Why waste resources on an inferior web version when they can focus their attention on the very successful mobile app. Its just good business sense and seeing that 99.9999999999% of Facebook users already have Messenger installed, its a non issue.

The web app version has a whole lot of features that the installed app doesn't: * It takes up zero phone memory. Yes, this is still an issue on really cheap Android phones. [0] * It takes up zero phone resources, unlike the Facebook app, which is known for slowing down your entire phone . [1] * The messenger app wants to send me notifications about stupid things and collect personal data using its over-broad permissi…

Takes up zero memory and resources, that must be some magical web app. Notifications, they can be turned off. Messenger is not a just another chat ecosystem, it is THE chat ecosystem. The messenger app is not resource intensive, it works fine. What makes you think Google, Microsoft and the Slack teams intentions are more "pure" than Facebook? Facebook is not spying on you, as much as you like to think your special, no one cares what you, yourself do.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Post by calsy »

dTal wrote: post #387
calsy wrote: post #279

So much complaining. The web app version is crap, of course they want to move people over to the app. Why waste resources on an inferior web version when they can focus their attention on the very successful mobile app. Its just good business sense and seeing that 99.9999999999% of Facebook users already have Messenger installed, its a non issue.

Easy on the 9s there buddy, that's one in a trillion.

You're right, more for dramatic effect.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Post by dimino »

galdosdi wrote: post #429
dimino wrote: post #418

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I use Messenger mostly because it's the only app that's actually achieved quorum amongst people who I talk to. If that weren't true, I wouldn't use Messenger, and if that's not true for you, I can understand not using it. I don't really understand, however, why folks like you try to make this a morality issue.

I never mentioned morality, what do you mean?

Yeah, you did.

> FB's decision just pushed me and all other similar users (users that already are on the fringes of FB usage, using it only rarely) even further away.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Post by suppressingfire »

galistoca wrote: post #369
colordrops wrote: post #117

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Android Chrome supports push notifications, even when the browser is not loaded.

I keep saying this in every comment I made on this thread, but I'm talking about the entire mobile ecosystem. Who cares if Android Chrome supports it, iOS doesn't. Which means it's not a 100% coverage. Just by letting this happen you are providing a low quality service to not just the iOS users but also the Android users, since there will be an assumption that the recipient doesn't always get the message in realtime.…

I call shenanigans for two reasons:

1) you can never assume a recipient ever has their phone on, with them and in a non-silent mode 2) users can disable push notifications for individual apps anyway

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Post by em3rgent0rdr »

peteretep wrote: post #244
em3rgent0rdr wrote: post #236

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well the facebook app is always on, even in background. It is probably reading every keystroke and touch action, and even every pause between actions. But when accessing the basic browser site inside tinfoil, they can only get http actions you actually transmit, such as likes, login times, page loads, etc.

You think apps can read the text you type in to other apps without your permission?

Of course not other apps. I'm talking about the facebook app itself. When you start typing text, it is presumably reading the delay between every keystroke and all your deletes. However, on the non-js html site, it only can get the text after you submit.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Post by cbhl »

suprjami wrote: post #431
crindy wrote: post #415

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm just gonna go ahead and mention [messenger.com]( https://www.messenger.com/ ) for anyone who agrees with you and doesn't know about it. It's essentially the messenger app in the browser, so you can access your Facebook messages without even coming across the news feed, any ads, etc.

All I get is a big ad to install the app from Google Play.

messenger.com is for desktop only. On mobile, the Facebook Messenger app is standalone -- you don't need the Facebook app to use it.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Post by galistoca »

suppressingfire wrote: post #436
galistoca wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I keep saying this in every comment I made on this thread, but I'm talking about the entire mobile ecosystem. Who cares if Android Chrome supports it, iOS doesn't. Which means it's not a 100% coverage. Just by letting this happen you are providing a low quality service to not just the iOS users but also the Android users, since there will be an assumption that the recipient doesn't always get the message in realtime.…

I call shenanigans for two reasons: 1) you can never assume a recipient ever has their phone on, with them and in a non-silent mode 2) users can disable push notifications for individual apps anyway

For some reason I feel like I have become some sort of FB defender, but I am not. Just to be clear, I am not a fan of FB. I even completely got rid of my FB account a year ago because I got sick of fake interactions on the site and have never looked back. I am happy with communicating with close people just via text and other special purpose communication apps.

That said, the reasons you mention are pretty edge cases. Instead of just hating on it, just stop and think about it for a moment without prejudice. When you email someone you don't expect them to read it immediately, but when you send a text you at least expect them to know they received something, no? (If you say no to this, I really have nothing else to say anymore, you would be just denying the reality) That's what Facebook wants to be. They're competing with SMS, not email.

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