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Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

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Post by gruez »

cft wrote: post #32
inversionOf wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I grabbed the data and found an old peer in there, and he listed both our office and his home address in profiles, which he would never have done for anything else. He also used an email address on a domain he controls that he created just for that, and accessed it (there are IP addresses) from a remote corporate location while on a trip there (I actually was on the same trip with him). This is just one record, but t…

Where is the download link please?

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:40AE8A90DE40CA3AFA763C8EDB43FC1FC47D75F1

Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

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Post by protomyth »

brightball wrote: post #319
tptacek wrote: post #2

The response to this this on Twitter would be beyond fucked- up if it weren't so completely predictable. People are posting direct links to the dump, screenshots of lists of emails, and statistics for classes of domains. The general reaction to the availability of the dump is reasonably characterized as "glee". But no matter what you think about Ashley Madison --- and I think A.M. is so comically scummy that I had tr…

Honestly, I'm more concerned about how easy it would be for the hackers to inject virtually anybody they wanted into the middle of this data to publicly smear them. With the public in a general froth over the whole episode, dropping in a celebrity, politician, preacher, etc would be child's play. I don't like anything about that site and I have a really hard time feeling sorry for people getting "outed" by it, but yo…

> Honestly, I'm more concerned about how easy it would be for the hackers to inject virtually anybody they wanted into the middle of this data to publicly smear them. With the public in a general froth over the whole episode, dropping in a celebrity, politician, preacher, etc would be child's play.

This is the new scary. I'm not even sure how you would defend yourself. Its not like the normal lies are easy to defend, now people are taking this database dump as holy writ without consideration of the source or skepticism of its contents.

Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

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Post by ElComradio »

camillomiller wrote: post #111
dsacco wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a great comment, Thomas. I had an argument with my girlfriend about this. No matter what reasoning I used, no matter what I said, she could not agree that it was wrong that Ashley Madison (A.M.) was hacked. Her position was that marital infidelity is such a pubishable offense that the participants on A.M. deserve to be publicly outed. In her view, it was not even up for debate. She felt so powerfully about in…

The elevation of monogamy and closed relationships as the God-given natural status of a couple is the source of too many problems. Same for not living our own sexuality in the open. By acting like this (that is: like you are supposed to) you are constantly prone to blackmail. If you happen to have a wife that is entitled in her social-induced belief that even thinking about other women is good ground for the terminat…

I think you might be confusing cause and effect. Long term serial monogamy is the norm across cultures and religions. It does not mean any other arrangements are objectively "wrong" but this meme of "Everyone would do X if not for cultural oppression!" is wrong. It's the same delusion that goes on with people who claim everyone is bisexual; it's a wish fulfillment fantasy of people who are outside the norm.

Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

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Post by Lawtonfogle »

FireBeyond wrote: post #428
Lawtonfogle wrote: post #422

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>No. Rape is not "I wouldn't have had sex with that person if I was better informed". I never said it was. I said that under some definitions that people use it is. Especially when it involves disclosing use of birth control (all cases I know of involve men lying, as that increases the biological risk of the woman, while the woman lying doesn't make the man more likely to get pregnant) and when it involves lying abou…

I think that knowingly lying about STDs is morally wrong (and in some cases, for some STDs, it -is- a crime to do so). "Disclosing use of birth control" All the cases you know of involve "men lying"? I'm having trouble wrapping my head around that. I just don't see 'putting or pretending to put on a condom and then sneaking it off unknowingly before intercourse' as being a common concern in sex/pregnancy. If I unders…

Either taking it off or lying about having a vasectomy. From my understanding, the legal problem is that in these cases the man exposed the woman to a vastly increased risk of pregnancy that she did not consent to. And such cases do appear to be rare and only in some countries. Far more common (though perhaps still rare) is meeting people who think that consent must be fully informed. I'm not saying I agree with such people, only that they exist and to them some actions are far more immoral because of the way they view things like consent.

Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

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Post by TWAndrews »

humanrebar wrote: post #235
in3d wrote: post #93

I'm not sure if people realize how significant this hack is. We just might have seen the first public hack that will cause people to die or be physically hurt. Homosexuality is illegal in certain countries (like Saudi Arabia) and this hack might expose people to harm in these countries. Some reactions of spouses might also be violent. It looks like the reaction of most commenters is very different compared to when Ga…

> We just might have seen the first public hack that will cause people to die or be physically hurt. Whether you like them or not, I'd be more surprised of a murder from this info than one from the Bradley and Manning leaks.

Then you're really unfamiliar with the dynamics of domestic abuse. I'd be more surprised if violence was not the result of this.

Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

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Post by FireBeyond »

Lawtonfogle wrote: post #444
FireBeyond wrote: post #428

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that knowingly lying about STDs is morally wrong (and in some cases, for some STDs, it -is- a crime to do so). "Disclosing use of birth control" All the cases you know of involve "men lying"? I'm having trouble wrapping my head around that. I just don't see 'putting or pretending to put on a condom and then sneaking it off unknowingly before intercourse' as being a common concern in sex/pregnancy. If I unders…

Either taking it off or lying about having a vasectomy. From my understanding, the legal problem is that in these cases the man exposed the woman to a vastly increased risk of pregnancy that she did not consent to. And such cases do appear to be rare and only in some countries. Far more common (though perhaps still rare) is meeting people who think that consent must be fully informed. I'm not saying I agree with such…

I stand corrected. I don't know why but the vasectomy route never crossed my mind. I can absolutely agree with your perspective there. And appreciate us having a civilized discussion about it.

Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

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Post by Kalium »

dsacco wrote: post #4
tptacek wrote: post #2

The response to this this on Twitter would be beyond fucked- up if it weren't so completely predictable. People are posting direct links to the dump, screenshots of lists of emails, and statistics for classes of domains. The general reaction to the availability of the dump is reasonably characterized as "glee". But no matter what you think about Ashley Madison --- and I think A.M. is so comically scummy that I had tr…

This is a great comment, Thomas. I had an argument with my girlfriend about this. No matter what reasoning I used, no matter what I said, she could not agree that it was wrong that Ashley Madison (A.M.) was hacked. Her position was that marital infidelity is such a pubishable offense that the participants on A.M. deserve to be publicly outed. In her view, it was not even up for debate. She felt so powerfully about in…

It's a common thought patterns. People have rights, but an arbitrarily selected set of moral principles override those rights.

It's no different from the people who support "Free Speech, except for hate speech". Or privacy, except when the person whose privacy is invaded is a racist piece of shit who doesn't deserve privacy because invading his privacy revealed him to be a racist piece of shit.

Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

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Post by swagswag »

inversionOf wrote: post #270
aaron695 wrote: post #255

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> and I think A.M. is so comically scummy that I had trouble believing it was a real thing Reddit AMA - https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3dy732/i_worked_at_as... "We had one guy I'll always remember. His wife was in an accident and stuck in a wheelchair, unable to do anything. She forced him to join the site and encouraged him to find a woman he could have sex with. He ended up finding partners that would last…

That whole AMA is absurd, and conveniently appeared right after the hack was first announced, and is surprisingly apologetic for a former employee. "My co-workers were a bunch of mad geniuses" "one of the best companies I've ever worked for" "my gut reaction was "Great, the bitter wives brigade has done it again."" Also, they had to retain your information for law enforcement, unless you paid $19 when they would do a…

I would like to see actual Ashley Madison employees verify if the AMA was real and at least know who the woman posting is.

Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

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Post by mikeash »

RyanZAG wrote: post #368
mikeash wrote: post #320

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Why is that worrying? If you're a gay Saudi Arabian (for example) then the only way to be safe is to be celibate. That's not an option for many people. If they weren't hooking up on AM, they'd be using some other service, or making discreet passes at acquaintances, or visiting places where gay people are known to frequent and hoping very strongly that it doesn't get raided while you're there. AM was probably one of t…

Well it would be nicer if being a gay Saudi Arabian wouldn't get you killed. As for why it's worrying: giving this information to a private company like AM means it's probably going to be leaked. It's worrying that they have to give this kind of information and will end up getting physically hurt for it. The hack is irrelevant as they would end up like this anyway. Is it not worrying for you? Will each hack or privat…

The hack itself is worrying. The fact that people will give information out to third parties, in a manner that is potentially life threatening, in order to satisfy their sex drive isn't worrying to me, because it's an inherent part of human nature.

Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

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Post by danvideo »

dsacco wrote: post #4
tptacek wrote: post #2

The response to this this on Twitter would be beyond fucked- up if it weren't so completely predictable. People are posting direct links to the dump, screenshots of lists of emails, and statistics for classes of domains. The general reaction to the availability of the dump is reasonably characterized as "glee". But no matter what you think about Ashley Madison --- and I think A.M. is so comically scummy that I had tr…

This is a great comment, Thomas. I had an argument with my girlfriend about this. No matter what reasoning I used, no matter what I said, she could not agree that it was wrong that Ashley Madison (A.M.) was hacked. Her position was that marital infidelity is such a pubishable offense that the participants on A.M. deserve to be publicly outed. In her view, it was not even up for debate. She felt so powerfully about in…

I think your explanation about why the twitter crusade feels so despicable is right on, dsacco and Thomas. Yet I'm struggling with why I (and much of the tech community) was OK and frankly downright gleeful at publicizing the Hacking Team hack - their data was exposed illegally and were engaged in immoral behavior re: working with various abusive governments (and had previously denied these facts). If I'm OK with people losing their right to privacy when they violate my moral sense, then am I much better...?
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