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Post by acqq »

benlarcey wrote: post #384
gavinpc wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sometimes I get so confused that I erase entire files OT, but just this week my wife did something that really got me thinking about how far computers haven't come in terms of usability. I heard her say "O crap" from behind her macbook, and out of habit I came to assist. For some reason unknown to both of us, she had pasted the text of an email into a document called "thesis.docx", and then saved it. The text was c…

As mentioned time machine is a great feature, but doesn't OS X auto save files you're working on with its versions? You might want to double check that it hasn't got past versions saved.

How exactly can he check it? As a user of another OS, I'm asking to learn how this feature actually works.

Re: Atom

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Post by shittyanalogy »

victorhooi wrote: post #418
shittyanalogy wrote: post #402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you honestly want to know "what scenarios people actually think will play out" and that you question this way solely for the sake of argument. I think you have your mind made up and would rather snark at people that have an opposing opinion. That being said, it's no stretch to understand that some people just don't want to volunteer personal information especially originating from software. There are en…

Well, no - you assuming it's rhetorical when I clearly stated it's not is snarky.... As I said, there were two scenarios that I outlined which were unlikely - Google/Github posting my text editor usage publicly on their website, linked to my name, and employees of those companies individually trawling through. The scenario of them mining for trends in the data, in order to improve the software, I'm perfectly fine wit…

You don't understand, it's not about "probably" it's about absolute. Just because a 3rd party probably won't do anything that could harm me doesn't mean that I should trust them for any reason. This is one of the main points of the free in free software.

It's not about tin-foil hats or being uptight, it's about my-personal-data-privacy and network-user-best-privacy-practices.

At this point, you either don't get it, or you don't think I should have the right to absolute data privacy if and purely because I want it.

Re: Atom

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Post by shittyanalogy »

victorhooi wrote: post #420
Dewie wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's fine to say, oh but the privacy! But that in itself isn't an argument. It's just an appeal to emotion, with no facts. How about: I don't like to be watched. That's a fact , though I'm sure you'll dismiss it as an appeal to emotion.

Do you actually think somebody at Github/Google is individually watching you ? As individual data points, I doubt we're that interesting. It's like NetFlix knowing what movies I watch. I doubt any single NetFlix employee could give two cents that Victor in Australia likes watching Once Upon A Time. (Awesome show, btw). However, if I watch Once Upon A Time, and I also watch XYZ, and then other people do the same, mayb…

Also, you do realize that no one is worried about whether "somebody at Github/Google is individually watching you." Unless of course they have an ex-lover at Github/Google.

These organizations, and those capable of secretly subpoenaing them, have software and very fast computers that do the watching. And it's not watching, it's profile building.

I'm not saying that this editor's phoning home of usage statistics is resulting in you being on the no-fly list, but you're argument is missing the point.

Re: Atom

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Post by ryanac »

tzs wrote: post #341

From "The Zen of Programming": ------ Hearing a disturbance, the master programmer went into the novice's cubicle. "Curse these personal computers!" cried the novice in anger, "To make them do anything I must use three or even four editing programs. Sometimes I get so confused that I erase entire files. This is truly intolerable!" The master programmer stared at the novice. "And what would you do to remedy this state…

Could that also be interpreted as:

------

Hearing a disturbance, the master programmer went into the novice's cubicle.

"Curse these search engines!" cried the novice in anger, "To find anything I must scroll through three or even four pages of results.

Sometimes I get so confused that I just give up. This is truly intolerable!"

The master programmer stared at the novice. "And what would you do to remedy this state of affairs?" he asked.

The novice thought for a moment. "I will design a new search engine," he said, "a search engine that will replace all these others."

Suddenly the master struck the novice on the side of his head. It was not a heavy blow, but the novice was nonetheless surprised.

"What did you do that for?" exclaimed the novice.

"I have no wish learn another search engine," said the master.

The novice packed his bags, left and went on to create Google, which gives him exactly the results he's looking for.

While his former master was left sifting through multiple pages of results on (insert other search engine here).

One day the master stumbled upon Google and the master was enlightened.

Re: Atom

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Post by asdfaoeu »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #406
unfunco wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then this really isn't a usability issue, if you replace the entire contents of a document with the clipboard, then click or shortcut to save, then click or shortcut to quit the application, that's really a human issue. It's too many steps to be labelled as a usability problem. ⌘-Z should have been adequate.

If the computer remembered every modification of every document, then users would be protected from incidents like this.

What about when they accidently release private information because the information was at some point in the software. I'd rather a single backup system like time machine than every application reinventing the wheel with all the bugs that entails.

Re: Atom

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Post by sspiff »

A few things bother me:

1. The documentation clearly mentions only cmd-key based shortcuts, implying Mac-only support.

2. They say they will be sending out invites, and that they've released a bunch of libraries as open source. This implies that the editor-as-a-whole will probably not be open source.

Re: Atom

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Post by mr_spothawk »

justizin wrote: post #110
ahuth wrote: post #56

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I think he means that we need editors that are powerful AND easy to use. Seems like vim isn't really for someone like me (I haven't studied PhD level computer science and I don't write compilers and/or lisp interpreters in my spare time for fun).

I taught Linux Admin courses before I graduated high school, and the first order was learning vim. If you have a mac, 'vimtutor' is available to you. vim has nothing to do with PhD-level CS or writing compilers and/or lisp interpreters. The Emacs community might fit that stereotype a little more but really not much more. Vi (vim being 'vi improved') is great because it works on basically any terminal. It works with m…

wow, thanks for the heads up on vimtutor! I've attempted the Emacs tutorial several times and I think this is a lot easier to learn.

We'll see if one of these console editors finally sticks.

Re: Atom

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Post by brodo »

jshen wrote: post #395
hnriot wrote: post #373

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I love learning new things! If it's better then I am more than happy to learn it, otherwise we'd all still be using EDT... This "master programmer" need to stop abusing his novices, stop resting on his laurels and get back to some learning.

we all have far less time than it would require to learn all of the interesting things. Once you get good with an editor your time is much better spent learning a new data structure, algorithm, language paradigm, etc than learning a new editor.

Thats maybe true for the vims and emacses of the world, but these new editors come with a fancy pants thing called a GUI. These GUI thingys adhere to certain standards and customs that are set by the OS. I do some web development work from time to time and therefore I have multiple browsers installed on my machine. I can switch between them without having to dig through a manual! I have to learn hardly anything!

Re: Atom

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Post by m_eiman »

gavinpc wrote: post #377
tzs wrote: post #341

From "The Zen of Programming": ------ Hearing a disturbance, the master programmer went into the novice's cubicle. "Curse these personal computers!" cried the novice in anger, "To make them do anything I must use three or even four editing programs. Sometimes I get so confused that I erase entire files. This is truly intolerable!" The master programmer stared at the novice. "And what would you do to remedy this state…

> Sometimes I get so confused that I erase entire files OT, but just this week my wife did something that really got me thinking about how far computers haven't come in terms of usability. I heard her say "O crap" from behind her macbook, and out of habit I came to assist. For some reason unknown to both of us, she had pasted the text of an email into a document called "thesis.docx", and then saved it. The text was c…

Doesn't Word store old data in the .docx, for things like revision diffs and to make saving quicker? Unless the filesize is really small, there might be a way to extract the previous data... Maybe that was only in the old .doc format, though.
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