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Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by inigyou »

JSR_FDED wrote: post #351
causal wrote: post #30

There's some psychological mechanism by which my brain immediately recognizes AI generated text and just short-circuits to "there is no information here". And when I force myself to read AI-generated text I realize I'm making my brain do creative work to impart meaning to the words. It is exhausting because my brain is literally trying to do a just-in-time rewrite of the text into something valuable. Something is dee…

Another good example of AI making my brain do more work is when you ask it to compare two things: “Compare a car and a bicycle” The answer is invariably something like: Seats: 1 (bicycle) vs 4 (car) Tire width: 1 inch (bicycle) vs 12 inch (car) Steering: handlebar (bicycle) vs steering wheel (car) Instead of “bikes are useful for short trips if the weather is ok and you like getting exercise, whereas a car is usually…

I wonder how the autoregression works on that. You'd think "seats: a bicycle has 1" would be an easier autoregressive completion than "seats: 1 (bicycle)" since it works left to right adding context.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by inigyou »

cyanydeez wrote: post #91
Flamkuchlo wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure you are not doing the same thing with other texts? I started to skim a lot more text due to me having read a lot. Like in news article, i stoped reading the first paragraph because it repeats just what it was already written in the short subtext. Then there is the second paragarph which is used to have some historical view or whatever it is.

I started skimming reports im required to produce quarterly snd annually. I designed them to provide novel information at start and end so I can update them easily. The problem I encounter is both my memory is degrading, but since these reports are largely duplicative, knowing which version im remembering is technically impossible since theres so much overlap. The overlap is tge same problem as context poisoning. Id…

Let them discover it themselves.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by inigyou »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #306
causal wrote: post #30

There's some psychological mechanism by which my brain immediately recognizes AI generated text and just short-circuits to "there is no information here". And when I force myself to read AI-generated text I realize I'm making my brain do creative work to impart meaning to the words. It is exhausting because my brain is literally trying to do a just-in-time rewrite of the text into something valuable. Something is dee…

>and just short-circuits to "there is no information here" I feel the same way when I read a "press release" or anything written by marketing. Even the newspaper will only have 2-3 sentences of interesting information spread out over 4 paragraphs.

Before AI slop, there was corporate slop. It served the same purpose and was generated in largely the same way. But it was only deployed where it was worth the cost of creation.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by BoredomIsFun »

thrance wrote: post #418
BoredomIsFun wrote: post #413

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These kinds of images are disingenuous. Modern image generating models have way higher quality of output, and in most cases you wouldn't even know it is generated.

That's not what we're exposed to, though. I've seen AI-generated postcards, t-shirt decals, logos and wall murals in shops and restaurants. They don't use the "good" models, because why would they? If they AI-generated it, it's because they didn't care about the quality anyway.

> If they AI-generated it, it's because they didn't care about the quality anyway.

No? There are far far more AI generated images you see daily, than the awful stuff from 2024 that you immediately discern as AI-generated. You could as well pass by somethimg like this (https://ideogram.ai/g/d6YzZ5XQQ56TU3Tc8eZw6w/0) believing it is a genuine photo or human made art.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by ddj231 »

ojo-rojo wrote: post #368
ddj231 wrote: post #301

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I see this line of reasoning quite a bit and it’s a strange one to me. The arguer reduces the sheer complexity of human intelligence and language by saying “we are just running statistical models in our brains” and by doing so makes the leap that Llms are intelligent. It’s an incredible simplification of the human person, who has a deep inner life, a soul, desires, and a will. I don’t think the aversion to llms as in…

You mention LLMs are dead and don't have the complexity or inner life that people do. Is your opinion that these kinds of things are not possible for AI in general, or that these things might be possible but we're just not there yet with modern LLMs? You mentioned LLMs don't have souls, desire, or a will. I imagine those latter two can be engineered, no?

My view is that these sorts of things are not possible for AI in general. Though we can create things and name them “will” and “desire”.

Software deals with metaphors. Your Amazon shopping cart is a metaphor of a real shopping cart. You your desktop and your file system, etc. are metaphors of real items. But we don’t mistake the metaphor for its object, even from inanimate objects to their software counterparts (shopping cart to Amazon cart).

Now the metaphors are dealing with humanness, things like intelligence etc. And rather than seeing it as software doing what it always does, taking things and creating software metaphors of them, we are starting to say these are actually what they are named. Saying the artificial intelligence is actually an intelligence.

We’d either have to reduce the definition of intelligence such that calculators are intelligent. Or admit that these tools are not intelligent and are rather ways of exploring the work of actual intelligent beings, work that is found in their training data.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by mythrwy »

red75prime wrote: post #343
mythrwy wrote: post #318

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I'll restate because both objections (which apparently skim instead of read) are missing the important point. Yes LLMs can run "what ifs" scenarios and build models. However LLMs deal entirely in symbols. 100%. Humans can "world build" aside from this and in fact are often at their best doing so. Did the first humans to use fire and some form of a wheel even have the capability to talk about it? Think about that.

> However LLMs deal entirely in symbols. They use tokens as input/output encoding. They do 99.9999% of processing in a high-dimensional latent space.

How exactly is this high dimensional latent space represented? Pixie dust and ethereal forces? Or floating point numbers? Where does it get the weights? Reddit?

Do you hold your experience of "dogs" (for instance) as floating point numbers? The fur, the fear, the love, the wet mouths, the sounds and colors?

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by Gareth321 »

TalkingCodeMonk wrote: post #59
causal wrote: post #30

There's some psychological mechanism by which my brain immediately recognizes AI generated text and just short-circuits to "there is no information here". And when I force myself to read AI-generated text I realize I'm making my brain do creative work to impart meaning to the words. It is exhausting because my brain is literally trying to do a just-in-time rewrite of the text into something valuable. Something is dee…

The "something deeply wrong" part about AI, that even most technology enthusiasts evidently do not seem to grasp, is that it is still fundamentally a statistical model — an algorithmic construct — and does not possess any real intelligence or critical thought whatsoever. No matter how much investors and tech companies want you to believe that they are on the verge of super intelligence, nothing I've seen to date can…

> The "something deeply wrong" part about AI, that even most technology enthusiasts evidently do not seem to grasp, is that it is still fundamentally a statistical model — an algorithmic construct

Isn't this how human brains work? We're just large probabilistic neural inference machines. A network of neural weights guided by past training.

To be honest I think the debate about what "sentience" is is inconsequential navel gazing. There are many different kinds of intelligence - even within humans. What matters is how useful that intelligence is as applied to solving real world problems. Like it or not, LLMs produce intelligence which is very, very useful for 1.5B people and rapidly growing.

I think this ultimately boils down to the classical economic debate of marginal utility. There isn't an objective way to value a product or service. Each person decides for themselves what said product or service is worth based on their needs and preferences. Intelligence works the same way. We don't have the right to tell someone that their perception of the value of that intelligence is wrong. They alone determine that.

One thing we can all agree on, is that the capability of this intelligence is expanding rapidly. In a few short years, we went from Will Smith spaghetti hands to full length movies and strikingly realistic images. For 60 years, passing the Turing Test was considered Star Trek level science fiction. Last year GPT 4.5 passed the Turing Test. AI is already being used to convince people over audio that they are real, and very soon, this will occur over video.

I think people are being too dismissive of this intelligence. It doesn't need to be perfectly humanoid to be considered intelligent.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by Nathanba »

el_benhameen wrote: post #151
davidgh wrote: post #43

My son is currently learning Romanian and I was trying to help him with verbs. I don’t know Romanian but recalled when learning a foreign language for the first time it really helped me to break down how a verb form or tense worked in English, then learn the equivalent in the new language. So I wanted to make some charts and pages that he could use as learning resources. I used Claude to help. I don’t know how to qui…

This is a really good description of the problem. I’ve been trying to use Claude to get familiar with the mechanics of a new codebase, and there have been so many moments where I’ve stopped after reading the same paragraph five times in a row and thought “Am I tired? Or stupid? Or is this codebase just wildly more complex than anything I’ve seen before?” before realizing that it’s just taken English and smushed it ar…

It's a Claude problem, chatgpt is about x10 better and it's quite rare that I'm getting such foggy vague texts that I have to reread to understand. Chatgpt used to have the same problem in the early days but even then it was less pronounced than how it is in Claude today. Fable is a bit better but not as good as Chatgpt.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by Gareth321 »

williamcotton wrote: post #280
TalkingCodeMonk wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "something deeply wrong" part about AI, that even most technology enthusiasts evidently do not seem to grasp, is that it is still fundamentally a statistical model — an algorithmic construct — and does not possess any real intelligence or critical thought whatsoever. No matter how much investors and tech companies want you to believe that they are on the verge of super intelligence, nothing I've seen to date can…

Most of these arguments are over some metaphysical definition of the word “intelligence”. As per later era Wittgenstein, I prefer to ignore these engagements and focus more on the meaning-as-use approach. What is the use of intelligence? What are the concrete outcomes of intelligence?

I strongly agree. Is a human in a vegetative state sentient? What about when they're asleep? What about someone with brain damage? What about someone with an IQ of 20?

Ray Kurzweil argues sentience is a philosophical question, and doesn't have much value as applied to science and technology. What will change the world is how this intelligence is applied. No one's going to care whether AGI is defined as sentient when it creates cheap fusion energy.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by rohin15 »

SamBam wrote: post #7

That last image is bizarre. The quiche, cream and even the salad look like they've been given the trypophobia treatment. Which might even make sense, because there were always (still are?) those horrible ads in the chumbox area of news sites that used trypophobia and other creepy body-horror stuff to get you to click. [1] So maybe the hope is that you don't really look closely at the quiche, but some reptilian party…

It made me recoil honestly!
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