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Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by red75prime »

ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #93
pyridines wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just can't accept that it possesses no intelligence. It is not equivalent to human intelligence, obviously, but how can a system without some semblance of rational thinking solve open math problems? Even composing earlier human work into something novel requires intelligence and understanding on some level.

LLMs are pattern prediction systems with a large training data set. It is not surprising that they can predict patterns, particularly for a well structured field like mathematics that is also amenable to automated proof checking to help steer it.

"Pattern prediction" is a very broad stroke. What's something AI can never do that would astonish you if it did?

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by zoho_seni »

smohare wrote: post #316
layla5alive wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The test was not "after thousands of hours of conversing with them, knowing they're AI, THEN see if you can tell them apart blindly." Were 2010 you to be in a real turing test with an arbitrary erudite human and a 2026 frontier LLM, not knowing LLMs existed, you'd probably struggle

I doubt this entirely. It might be quite difficult for said human to discern whether a simple passage were generated sans such accumulated experience in reading AI text, true. But LLMs do not converse like humans in ways that have always been essentially immediately obvious.

Have you seen how many people talk to bots these days thinking is a real person. Or that are even in a relationship with them or friends.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by red75prime »

mythrwy wrote: post #318
mythrwy wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While being very capable, AI is missing something required for true intelligence and I struggle to explain exactly what it is I see missing. It's not really "creativity" because much of that always was derivative in my opinion. And LLMs are (for some definition of the word) fairly creative as far as taking known elements and re-arranging them. I think what is missing is sort of a world model building capability. As h…

I'll restate because both objections (which apparently skim instead of read) are missing the important point. Yes LLMs can run "what ifs" scenarios and build models. However LLMs deal entirely in symbols. 100%. Humans can "world build" aside from this and in fact are often at their best doing so. Did the first humans to use fire and some form of a wheel even have the capability to talk about it? Think about that.

> However LLMs deal entirely in symbols.

They use tokens as input/output encoding. They do 99.9999% of processing in a high-dimensional latent space.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by red75prime »

rnd33 wrote: post #105
causal wrote: post #30

There's some psychological mechanism by which my brain immediately recognizes AI generated text and just short-circuits to "there is no information here". And when I force myself to read AI-generated text I realize I'm making my brain do creative work to impart meaning to the words. It is exhausting because my brain is literally trying to do a just-in-time rewrite of the text into something valuable. Something is dee…

Completely agree. AI is very impressive in many ways but there is something deeply wrong that is hard to put into words. The output is probable but never true, if that makes sense. I think this is also the mechanism behind why AI generated videos and images are so captivating at first. I remember when Midjourney first launched and it was hours and hours of a brain-melting "Wooooooow". But once you get used to it and…

> But once you get used to it and start to identify the patterns the brain quickly labels most AI-generated content as blank space.

I guess the majority of people do low-effort generation that doesn't perturb a default style of a network enough, so it stays blatantly noticeable. The percentage of "super-recognizers" who notice almost all AI-generated images is around 1-2%. It could be that you are one of them, of course.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by moezd »

There is something liminal about AI-generated text indeed. First few sentences are promising, then my expectations of reading something tight evaporates eventually. I feel let down, (almost) being tricked into believing that the intro and the perfect grammar should've led to a revelation written by a deep thinker. Instead, it's just... a lump of text, stitched together because the training corpus said these words go together.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by pheymann »

causal wrote: post #30

There's some psychological mechanism by which my brain immediately recognizes AI generated text and just short-circuits to "there is no information here". And when I force myself to read AI-generated text I realize I'm making my brain do creative work to impart meaning to the words. It is exhausting because my brain is literally trying to do a just-in-time rewrite of the text into something valuable. Something is dee…

Same. Also when I see a spec for example or some summary I always have the impression it doesn't get to the point. Like, the core ideas are in there but also somehow lost and I have to work them out again which makes me wonder if the person generating it understood what is going on or if it would just have been fast to just write it by hand (you still use LLMs for research and such).

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by blensor »

causal wrote: post #30

There's some psychological mechanism by which my brain immediately recognizes AI generated text and just short-circuits to "there is no information here". And when I force myself to read AI-generated text I realize I'm making my brain do creative work to impart meaning to the words. It is exhausting because my brain is literally trying to do a just-in-time rewrite of the text into something valuable. Something is dee…

For me it's youtube videos. As soon as I hear the AI tells in the script, even when it's clearly read by a real person I immediately look for a different video.

At least for the content I watch for entertainment, it may be different if I am looking for a specific answer for something where I would otherwise just ask an AI anyway.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

red75prime wrote: post #344
rnd33 wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely agree. AI is very impressive in many ways but there is something deeply wrong that is hard to put into words. The output is probable but never true, if that makes sense. I think this is also the mechanism behind why AI generated videos and images are so captivating at first. I remember when Midjourney first launched and it was hours and hours of a brain-melting "Wooooooow". But once you get used to it and…

> But once you get used to it and start to identify the patterns the brain quickly labels most AI-generated content as blank space. I guess the majority of people do low-effort generation that doesn't perturb a default style of a network enough, so it stays blatantly noticeable. The percentage of "super-recognizers" who notice almost all AI-generated images is around 1-2%. It could be that you are one of them, of cou…

I think this is the confirmation bias trap a lot of people fall into; higher quality, hard to detect AI is already ubiquitous but because it's hard to detect people just don't clock it.

"I can accurately detect 100% of AI generated images that I recognise as being AI", if you will.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

m463 wrote: post #174
causal wrote: post #30

There's some psychological mechanism by which my brain immediately recognizes AI generated text and just short-circuits to "there is no information here". And when I force myself to read AI-generated text I realize I'm making my brain do creative work to impart meaning to the words. It is exhausting because my brain is literally trying to do a just-in-time rewrite of the text into something valuable. Something is dee…

I kind of wonder if our ability to skim has been stymied. blah blah blah - blah blah nugget blah blah - blah blah blah wrong blah blah nonsense - blah blah blah obvious blah blah - blah blah blah off-base blah blah blah It is that we HAVE to skim because the text is so cheap, and it wears us out.

I think we as professional documentation-readers already skim most content (speaking for myself, I realized I was googling and skimming for answers 20 years ago instead of reading documentation end to end), but AI generated content has the same problem as marketing speak in that it's a lot of fluff.

It's understandable people don't read but feed stuff into their own AI again to bring it up to their standards or have it get to the succinct point.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #306
causal wrote: post #30

There's some psychological mechanism by which my brain immediately recognizes AI generated text and just short-circuits to "there is no information here". And when I force myself to read AI-generated text I realize I'm making my brain do creative work to impart meaning to the words. It is exhausting because my brain is literally trying to do a just-in-time rewrite of the text into something valuable. Something is dee…

>and just short-circuits to "there is no information here" I feel the same way when I read a "press release" or anything written by marketing. Even the newspaper will only have 2-3 sentences of interesting information spread out over 4 paragraphs.

This makes me think of the paper-to-media pipeline; scientific papers are high information density. Its press release summarizes the finding. Then the popular science and social media posts come that oversimplify and embellish the findings.

So from "this table of stellar luminocity observations shows x y and z" to computer renders of green/blue planets with captions of "LIFE FOUND IN SPAAAACE!".

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