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Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by DigiEggz » Wed, Jul 22, 2026, 5:15 AM UTC

echelon wrote: post #414

freediver wrote: post #404

7 years ago we started the 'you are not the product' movement for digital information consumption with Kagi Search. Since then the paradigm shifted from search to agents. Good to see the need for 'you are not the product' still holds up, maybe even more so now: an agent is only worth trusting if it works for you and nobody else. The second an advertiser gets between you and the answer, that's gone. So we're staying o…

I want to continue to use the enterprise products paid for with billions of dollars of investment, because they still have tremendous value. Similarly, I want to continue to use the platforms that have all the users, content, and network effects. BUT - I'd like my own personal agent to sit between everything and strip out the nonsense before it hits my eyeballs. Ad block used to be good enough, but we can clearly tak…

That's creating a slippery, echoey slope for the role of the agent / butler. You may end up replacing one problem with another.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by evil-olive » Wed, Jul 22, 2026, 5:16 AM UTC

echelon wrote: post #406

kubb wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The golden age of LLMs may be coming to an end. Soon we’ll see the same phenomenon as we have with Google Search results and with YouTube, with Facebook and Windows. People will rend their garments and lament the loss of the „old models” but the logic of the system that produced them will remain unchanged. Everyone will keep asking themselves how it happened and what can be done about it. Meanwhile the Claude that we…

LLMs may actually drag our super-valuable tech industry back down to earth and commoditize everything we've ever built. How hard would it be to build a new Google Search with a small team and an LLM? How hard would it be to engineer a new Google Drive and Docs suite? How hard would it be to create a new phone operating system? These all feel incredibly shallow now. A few dedicated people could build these systems and…

> How hard would it be to build a new Google Search with a small team and an LLM?

yes, an LLM can write you a web crawler.

whose hardware are you going to run it on? what is the bill for that storage and compute going to look like, just to get to a baseline where you can answer a single general-purpose query?

Google famously sells ads to subsidize its search product. how are you going to bootstrap your ad revenue? and how much capital are you going to burn through while you do that?

> How hard would it be to engineer a new Google Drive and Docs suite?

many open-source clones of GDocs / GSuite already exist. many predate the LLM era and were human-written.

can your LLM slop-fork them? certainly.

but those existing clones already have a niche marketshare compared to Google's behemoth. what reason do you have to believe that yours will be any different?

> How hard would it be to create a new phone operating system?

hoo boy this one is the most detached from reality of them all.

for what hardware?

iPhones are famously locked-down, so you're probably going to be running on Android.

you can fork AOSP and call it Diordna if you want. you could even use good ol' search & replace to save some money on tokens doing the rename.

or, do you want to run it on your own custom hardware? head over to Shenzhen with a binder full of ChatGPT printouts showing your hardware design?

and again, how much capital are you going to burn through, in order to have your first "could be sold to a real customer" quality device?

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by ipaddr » Wed, Jul 22, 2026, 5:19 AM UTC

echelon wrote: post #406

kubb wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The golden age of LLMs may be coming to an end. Soon we’ll see the same phenomenon as we have with Google Search results and with YouTube, with Facebook and Windows. People will rend their garments and lament the loss of the „old models” but the logic of the system that produced them will remain unchanged. Everyone will keep asking themselves how it happened and what can be done about it. Meanwhile the Claude that we…

LLMs may actually drag our super-valuable tech industry back down to earth and commoditize everything we've ever built. How hard would it be to build a new Google Search with a small team and an LLM? How hard would it be to engineer a new Google Drive and Docs suite? How hard would it be to create a new phone operating system? These all feel incredibly shallow now. A few dedicated people could build these systems and…

A small team and an llm will tackle search?

They will run into many problems. The Google brand for search, the inability to index most of the web as a new crawler, the lack of the top browser, your own mobile OS, default search placement deals with everyone. And that doesn't even look at the technical issues, scaling or the lack of a business model to pay for it.

You could build your own Google drive many have from dropbox to mega or onedrive. Doc suite is possible but harder then you think.

LLMs were invented by people working at Google. LLMs won't kill Google it will offer them a new profit center.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by zombot » Wed, Jul 22, 2026, 5:21 AM UTC

echelon wrote: post #414

freediver wrote: post #404

7 years ago we started the 'you are not the product' movement for digital information consumption with Kagi Search. Since then the paradigm shifted from search to agents. Good to see the need for 'you are not the product' still holds up, maybe even more so now: an agent is only worth trusting if it works for you and nobody else. The second an advertiser gets between you and the answer, that's gone. So we're staying o…

I want to continue to use the enterprise products paid for with billions of dollars of investment, because they still have tremendous value. Similarly, I want to continue to use the platforms that have all the users, content, and network effects. BUT - I'd like my own personal agent to sit between everything and strip out the nonsense before it hits my eyeballs. Ad block used to be good enough, but we can clearly tak…

> I would pay a thousand dollars a year

More incentive to keep up enshittification, lest your appreciation of de-shittification wane.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by bayindirh » Wed, Jul 22, 2026, 5:23 AM UTC

echelon wrote: post #414

freediver wrote: post #404

7 years ago we started the 'you are not the product' movement for digital information consumption with Kagi Search. Since then the paradigm shifted from search to agents. Good to see the need for 'you are not the product' still holds up, maybe even more so now: an agent is only worth trusting if it works for you and nobody else. The second an advertiser gets between you and the answer, that's gone. So we're staying o…

I want to continue to use the enterprise products paid for with billions of dollars of investment, because they still have tremendous value. Similarly, I want to continue to use the platforms that have all the users, content, and network effects. BUT - I'd like my own personal agent to sit between everything and strip out the nonsense before it hits my eyeballs. Ad block used to be good enough, but we can clearly tak…

There are so many things I can write about this, but I’ll keep it short:

Technological solutions to societal problems is one of the shortest paths to hell.

So, no, thanks.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by galkk » Wed, Jul 22, 2026, 5:23 AM UTC

echelon wrote: post #406

kubb wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The golden age of LLMs may be coming to an end. Soon we’ll see the same phenomenon as we have with Google Search results and with YouTube, with Facebook and Windows. People will rend their garments and lament the loss of the „old models” but the logic of the system that produced them will remain unchanged. Everyone will keep asking themselves how it happened and what can be done about it. Meanwhile the Claude that we…

LLMs may actually drag our super-valuable tech industry back down to earth and commoditize everything we've ever built. How hard would it be to build a new Google Search with a small team and an LLM? How hard would it be to engineer a new Google Drive and Docs suite? How hard would it be to create a new phone operating system? These all feel incredibly shallow now. A few dedicated people could build these systems and…

> How hard would it be to build a new Google Search with a small team and an LLM?

Impossible

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by bayindirh » Wed, Jul 22, 2026, 5:25 AM UTC

freediver wrote: post #404

7 years ago we started the 'you are not the product' movement for digital information consumption with Kagi Search. Since then the paradigm shifted from search to agents. Good to see the need for 'you are not the product' still holds up, maybe even more so now: an agent is only worth trusting if it works for you and nobody else. The second an advertiser gets between you and the answer, that's gone. So we're staying o…

Kagi is not only an ad-free subscription. It’s a mental budget booster. Knowing there are no ads and results are higher quality removes a mental load I didn’t know I was carrying.

It’s possibly the single most impactful thing in my digital life.

Thanks for everything, and please keep doing what you’re doing.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by derektank » Wed, Jul 22, 2026, 5:27 AM UTC

echelon wrote: post #406

kubb wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The golden age of LLMs may be coming to an end. Soon we’ll see the same phenomenon as we have with Google Search results and with YouTube, with Facebook and Windows. People will rend their garments and lament the loss of the „old models” but the logic of the system that produced them will remain unchanged. Everyone will keep asking themselves how it happened and what can be done about it. Meanwhile the Claude that we…

LLMs may actually drag our super-valuable tech industry back down to earth and commoditize everything we've ever built. How hard would it be to build a new Google Search with a small team and an LLM? How hard would it be to engineer a new Google Drive and Docs suite? How hard would it be to create a new phone operating system? These all feel incredibly shallow now. A few dedicated people could build these systems and…

It’s a great time to be in computer hardware if nothing else.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by smugglerFlynn » Wed, Jul 22, 2026, 5:34 AM UTC

tom_ wrote: post #250

bstsb wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

then every casual user would switch instantly to Gemini, or the most convenient alternative

You misunderstand. They are going to force everybody to pay $5, then force everybody to use chatgpt. 8 billion times 5 isn't much money, but the advertisers will surely pay a lot for that many captive eyeballs! (I have no MBA either)

At this point why forcing people to use the service, if you can forcefully extract these eyeballs and then sell them directly to advertisers in large enough jars?

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 » Wed, Jul 22, 2026, 5:39 AM UTC

kubb wrote: post #400

dijit wrote: post #357

I upvoted this submission, not because I like this, but because I think people need to see this. If you are looking at upvotes as a measure of support OpenAI: Don’t.

The golden age of LLMs may be coming to an end. Soon we’ll see the same phenomenon as we have with Google Search results and with YouTube, with Facebook and Windows. People will rend their garments and lament the loss of the „old models” but the logic of the system that produced them will remain unchanged. Everyone will keep asking themselves how it happened and what can be done about it. Meanwhile the Claude that we…

Golden age for whom? For crazy valuations, possibly ( though I am oddly unsure about that despite obvious crazy money inflow ). But for actual users, the fun is merely starting man.