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Re: The kids with phones are alright

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pjc50 wrote: post #32
FeteCommuniste wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting reversal of the "think of the kids" argument, though: think of the kids who could have used their phones to document their mistreatment at the hands of alcoholic perverts.

I'm reminded of the way that universally carried high resolution cameras made UFOs and crop circles disappear, but police suddenly became a lot less trustworthy. The abuse question .. well, "social justice" is a term that starts fights, but there have been a lot of people who've been able to get some sort of justice only because they raised their cause on social media, having been ignored by the authorities. #MeToo i…

UFO's are still somehow always captured on the single dirtiest worst image sensor every produced by humans.

Re: The kids with phones are alright

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II2II wrote: post #48
nyeah wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that there are several different issues at work. Can you show an example of how TFA conflates some of them? You may disagree with the author's conclusions, but that doesn't make the article nonsense.

Perhaps there's stuff going on in the UK that I'm missing but: - I have not heard of a general cell phone ban for children and youth. They may "ban" the use of phones in schools (in reality: phones must remain in a bag or locker) and parents may choose to forbid their children from having phones (which is difficult to enforce after a certain age), but nothing general. One may argue that children and youth may use pho…

Nah. there's not, the UK isn't banning phones at all. The article is wrong, and very likely just lying.

Re: The kids with phones are alright

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jonstewart wrote: post #46

This essay extends one anecdote involving 16+ year old teenagers to the unsupported conclusion that kids should have phones and those who wish to restrict that are all wealthy 1% right wing authoritarians. Then with the personal note it seems clear that the core of the essay stems from the author's own personal trauma/experience. I don't disagree that big adtech's reliance on dopamine-driven addictive behavior is rea…

The extra irony in this is that it's Labour and not the Tories that are implementing these policies, but not the policies that are cited here because they're made up.

Re: The kids with phones are alright

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fantunes wrote: post #45

He was only caught because he was on his phone and someone could see his screen. No one would stand up for the girls if he was wearing one of those meta glasses taking the same pics.

I mean they would, but of course he would get a level of plausible deniability.

Re: The kids with phones are alright

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avaer wrote: post #98

I think most reasonable people can agree social media/internet can be a dangerous place where your images will be taken and posted to others without your consent. This isn't a matter of age. Except this is exactly what Heather Burns is doing. Not this guy, who (I had to check) was apparently following the law(?) and the article even admits this: > as far as policymakers are concerned, it’s the senior legal officer wi…

If we assume this guy was taking photos for his own private collection, there's a hilarious irony that the person who took the video, and then posted it onto Twitter. Managed to expose the victims photos that he took, AND ALSO many other photos of their faces to the world.

But then the rest of the article is a load of nonsense about legislation that doesn't even exist.

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cynicalsecurity wrote: post #176
RIMR wrote: post #16

This whole article just boils down to the argument "If badly-behaved adults are allowed to have cameras, why shouldn't well-behaved children have access to for-profit social media platforms designed to addict them and feed them misinformation?" It's complete nonsense. The conversation in the UK right now isn't about whether or not teenagers should be allowed to own cell phones; it's about whether they should be allow…

Did the UK get rid of the Muslim rape gangs already? No one is being raped on social media, yet all the hysteria is focused on social media when it should be focused on a completely different issue that actually harms children in real life on a massive scale - outside and unrelated to the internet.

>Did the UK get rid of the Muslim rape gangs already?

If you read the investigations into CSA, the vast majority is being commuted by white men, white men like the man in this video

>No one is being raped on social media

Who said they were? It's a bit off that you're waving out Sexual Assault in reference to literally everything else.

Do we need to speak to the police about you

Re: The kids with phones are alright

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Post by marysol5 »

selimthegrim wrote: post #309
cynicalsecurity wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did the UK get rid of the Muslim rape gangs already? No one is being raped on social media, yet all the hysteria is focused on social media when it should be focused on a completely different issue that actually harms children in real life on a massive scale - outside and unrelated to the internet.

If you're going to frame it that way, let's talk about the Muslim prosecutor that put them away and the Muslim home secretary trying to deport the ringleader.

Meanwhile you have far-right leaders like a certain "Tommy Robinson" who openly advocate to "free the paedos" and openly admit to possessing CP

Re: The kids with phones are alright

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graemep wrote: post #226

The political analysis there is completely wrong. How can she blame the "Tatler/Telegraph/Times set" for legislation passed by a Labour government? The opposition to this sort of legislation (e.g. the OSA) has largely come from the right. > These are groups who, culturally, do not want their children to have agency over their own lives, nevermind devices, nor do they want their young adults to develop essential skill…

Technically the OSA was passed by the last Tory gov and was implemented after they were ousted.

Re: The kids with phones are alright

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roundabout-host wrote: post #218
j45 wrote: post #4

It's important to define kids. The article mentions 15-16 years of age. The best practice is to keep kids off smartphones with full internet, full social media, touchscreen and scrolling at least until 13. It doesn't mean they can't have other kinds of devices. This is a wide open market category.

So force parents to give them devices running an even more nonfree, even more crippled OS. At least on a smartphone you can run GNU/Linux.

Huh? That's not defined in any legislation.

Also vast majority of devices run a Linux kernel....

Re: The kids with phones are alright

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goalieca wrote: post #17

Personally, I don’t even think adults with phones are alright.

There's a few pensioners who go in my local pub, they're substantially more "addicted" to their phones than any tween, and manage to believe literally anything that comes across their screen. Even when thoroughly debunked by the rest of us...
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