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Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by themafia »

seizethecheese wrote: post #231
throwaway2037 wrote: post #185

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Don't tell me... you are a man? I guess so. How many middle class women and above want to ride SFMuni after dark? Few. The future of self-driving taxis is women (customers) who want to live in a big city, but don't want to ride mass transit, nor ride in a ride-hailing services (Uber, etc.) with a human driver... because most drivers are men.

This kind of gender politics is tiresome. You could easily point out that for women public transit is untenable after dark instead of bringing the OP’s identity into it.

> This kind of gender politics is tiresome.

I think they're trying to convey that this kind of gender ignorance is equally tiresome.

Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by themafia »

boredatoms wrote: post #134
jbmchuck wrote: post #129

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It seems to me a lot of people just really don't like to be associated with public transit or anything associated with anything remotely underclass. It's a class marker to be driven around in an autonomous 6000lbs tank rather than move your legs a bit.

Be serious. Its not a class marker, its a nessesity. Even the poor have cars People clearly chooses the convenience and predictability of cars, and pay significantly to do so In places where there is greater convenience/predictability from pubilc transit, they choose it. See london/ny

> Even the poor have cars

Poor, relative to whom?

Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by SOLAR_FIELDS »

scoofy wrote: post #424
SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #420

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Australia is one of the top toll roading countries. Sydney had most tolled roads world record for awhile not sure who holds it now. I don’t know whether it is the state or private companies who operate them. Since you live in the area, and are talking about toll roads, I assume you also probably know of the name Cintra, who are Spainiards. And Cintra is, in fact, a private toll road operator who has owned roads aroun…

My point here is that a privately operated toll road that exists purely as a toll road, does not parallel the concept of a moderately expensive subscription for what is effectively an existing product. A more apt comparison would be a toll lane in an existing road, first class compartments, etc. I mentioned Texas 130, which was operated by Cintra, but was still technically operating under TxDOT: https://en.wikipedia.…

Austin, Texas is a great example for toll lanes of existing roads! MoPac and 183 North are exactly this model

Agree that it's a more accurate metaphor than just "toll roads".

My understanding is that Cintra exited the Austin TX toll road business around a decade ago after profits from SH 130 failed to materialize

Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by infecto »

0x457 wrote: post #147
infecto wrote: post #117

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If you live in a city, parking tickets are fairly inevitable. I am sure some folks get away with none but at least in SF I have gotten tickets that were not even for the correct meter and it’s takes more time (at least used to) to fight it than pay the money.

I lived in LA for over a decade with a car and got zero parking tickets. I wouldn't call it inevitable.

Great? Too many variables such as not having to park on the street or bad/good luck. If you live somewhere that has street cleaning, street parking and meters there is a good chance of getting a ticket. Not everyone but the likelihood increases and most of LA does not really check most of those boxes at least in the areas I have been.

Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by hoppyhoppy2 »

nradov wrote: post #245
postalrat wrote: post #227

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Do you think sitting inside you will be protected if someone has a gun?

Obviously the Waymo Premier service should also include a nice handgun with the car.

Why should I have to wield a gun myself? A self-driving car should be able to shoot at threats autonomously!

Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by totetsu »

Why are all these things always called, "Premier" or "elevated experiences".. Do people really build their sense of self worth/satisfaction form imagining they are special for spending money?

Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by IncreasePosts »

Rumudiez wrote: post #285
IncreasePosts wrote: post #161

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Most people spend more per year on gas than you claim is your total cost of ownership. Sure, cars are cheap if you never drive them.

do you buy things just to look at them? my vehicles (all 8) are for driving. fuel costs vary, and as another commenter in this thread said they were comparing $50 (max) to recharge an EV vs $40 (min) for gas. so depending on where you live, what you drive, and how you drive it you'll get wildly different ideas about fuel costs. fueling up is not maintenance either. even in the best case the difference in fuel cost is…

Ok, I think the situation is different when you have 8 cars which are for driving. It's not really fair to compare per vehicle costs when you're dividing your usage up among 8 vehicles whereas most people are dividing it among 1 or maybe 2

Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by noahmbarr »

totetsu wrote: post #436

Why are all these things always called, "Premier" or "elevated experiences".. Do people really build their sense of self worth/satisfaction form imagining they are special for spending money?

There is no question Waymo is a better consumer product for most trips around places like San Francisco proper.

So if you have a better product, why waste calories with membership cash grabs vs scaling your core mechanic? If there was a larger fleet, wait times wouldn’t be long— so line skipping wouldn’t be a problem.

Only conclusions I can come to: (1) Their core money mechanic (charging for rides) isn’t that attractive (2) they cannot scale fast enough, or (3) both

Love to have someone steelman the argument o/w

Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by lokar »

jfoster wrote: post #428
lokar wrote: post #331

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I think people vastly overestimate the extent to which would be criminals think ahead to the likelihood of being caught and the severity of the punishment.

They might not, but there is a further defence against their lack of consideration about consequences. It's called incarceration.

Not really related to my reply

Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by culi »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #426
culi wrote: post #422

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Except in this case, damaging cars belonging to Google—a collaborator with ICE— is the point. It's more comparable to people who were damaging Tesla vehicles or the Tyre Extinguishers in the UK than the very common tactic of halting traffic/economic activity to threaten "business as usual"

Property damage is just hooliganism, thugs make an excuse for it no matter if that’s what they feel like doing. The eventual result of America falling into chaos will be countries like China having nice stuff like self driving cars (because they don’t tolerate thugs) while the us doesnt.

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