If we all 10x our productivity, then we also 10x the cost of taking a day off and theoretically progress is compounding, so it's even costlier...oh no.
Can we have the day off?
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#432Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is this a joke? Income inequality is at it's highest (even worse than the gilded age), deaths of despair are at their highest as well, people can't afford childcare (a years worth of childcare costs more than college), people are losing access to health insurance en masse; but we're suppose to think society is truly better off? What brand of edibles do you have there 'bud? I'd like to fly into that realm of alternate…
When I was a kid “child care” was either your grandparents or the neighborhood kid watching 6 screaming toddlers at once. I’m pretty sure that doesn’t cost more than college today :). Our standards have just risen massively.
We’re forced to move away from our grandparents and family neighborhood help to have careers to afford to live
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#434Earlier quoted context omitted.
Good source for what? I'm just trying to point to a concept, an idea. There's no "facts" here, just speculation. If you disagree with the point there, why don't you just say what you think is true instead, I'm happy to discuss the ways in which the article is wrong
unless we can ALL join forces to draw the line somewhere, someone will choose to defect from the agreement to "just work less", > We already did draw the line and we can redraw it. We drew the line very strongly at 40 hours, 4 days a week. That is the "official" expected hours for most salaried employees. because doing so will make them succeed at the expense of others. > This already happens. People making salary, 4…
I would support efforts to try to redraw the line as stated above. I do think we would all be better off if we could do so. But my default assumption is that that won't happen - we will fail to organize effectively enough to redraw the line and we wont "get the day off" that the parent asks for. Maybe I need to be more optimistic to encourage such efforts, but because I think merely asking has such poor chances, I'd rather point to the problem of coordination in an attempt to move the convo towards "how do we beat the coordination problem" - hopefully by being more aware of the size of the hill we are facing, we can be more likely to devise more ambitious approaches to solving the problem
Hours alone is not the only thing that matters, but all else being equal it does matter. Someone who works smarter for 20 hours will get ahead of someone who works stupid for 40, but if both people work smart the 40 hours person gets more done
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#435The four day work week is a prisoner's dilemma. If everyone did it, then we'd all get a payoff, but if someone defects to a longer work week they tend to get ahead at work. Thus we all do it and thus we all lose. It's funny how underappreciated it is how the five day work week is powered by norms...at least in the US. People assume there are laws about it. The only laws dictate compensation past certain thresholds, a…
A lot of people work less than full time.... Like... You can actually work 4 x 8 if you want to. Or 5x5... No gun to your head Yeah, agreed, you'll have a hard time finding a job with full benis and vacation yada yada, but like,.... Every CEO loves to negotiate So stop being a bitch If 4x8 is important to you: Negotiate *************** Reply to madrox: "Demands" is a loaded term. In negotiations you enter with "must…
This is true, and there is usually a tradeoff you make for it. To your point, it's a negotiation. You usually give something up to get something or be so good you simply cannot be replaced. Such people do not represent the bulk of the workforce, and we're talking about norms here.
Because to that CEO you're talking about, you have to convince them your demands are better than the next candidate who doesn't mind working more hours.
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#436I never understand why software engineers are so excited about AI as a whole. If you are excited about the technology, sure. But if you are excited about the increase in productivity, unless you are a manager, I don't really understand it. Like, why? You are not working one hour less than before. If anything, it's more likely you'll get laid off and have trouble finding your next job.
I think a lot of us aren’t rational about it. I tend to feel excited about changes for which productivity is a side effect, even if it’s not my motivation. It’s hard to say no to extending my capabilities and insulating myself from the more boring repetitive tasks.
If your job was 80-90% shoveling and one day you were offered use of an excavator, wouldn’t you find that exciting even while realizing the shoveling part of your career is probably dead?
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#437Here’s your occasional reminder that US software engineers should unionize.
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#438Top professionals whose comp is tied to performance didn't work 40hr 9-5s in the first place - but their comp is tied to performance, so when they have 10x the output they are compensated accordingly Roles that come with a 40hr work week were already decoupled from performance, if AI made those workers 10x more productive they will rarely see the fruits of their productivity On an individual level it seems like the c…
Do you know people who have gotten 10x raises due to increased output since AI came out? The one group I can think of is workers at AI companies but that seems more like a gold rush situation than anything
AI companies have reaped the most benefit out of AI, so naturally most 10xers come from people who have equity in those companies that grow really fast
I don't think the average person has even close to a 10x output increase due to AI.
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#439Everyone laments how everyone will get "a lot" of days off in the end, but regulation is still a dirty word in here.
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#440Earlier quoted context omitted.
"The strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must." — Thucydides
It’s a stupid statement by a stupid philosopher. Years later we learned collective development and incentive produced a society he could have never imagined. It’s simply being looted now by the idiots this moron worshiped.
You sound very sure of your opinion... While missing the basic fact that he was a historian, not a philosopher.