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Appearing productive in the workplace

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Re: Appearing productive in the workplace

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I watched a video of some (unemployed) programmer lamenting over the current job situation market. He had been coding for a good while, but had recently been laid off. The vid was mainly concerning the searching and interview process, but it also did highlight something I find somewhat true and important: Right now we're in a gold rush. Companies, that be established ones or startups, are in a frenzy to transform or…

i feel like i saw the same thing! was is this (AsianDadEnergy channel)?

https://youtu.be/VeMA9WGKxOg?si=hV1F84P_-U6k9oJi

Re: Appearing productive in the workplace

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I believe that the assumption that customers reviewing the output artifacts is "the final boss" is wrong. If AI use spreads, customers are also likely to use AI to review the artifacts. Vision, taste and curation remains, though.

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If anything, the current era looks like how 1995-2015 was for me. Back then I was not in the “nitpicker’s radar” yet. I was working in small teams and shipping like crazy, sometimes fixing small bugs literally in seconds. Things worked, were stable, made money, teams were fun and code and product had quality. The post-Thoughtworks, post-Uncle-Bob world of 2015-2025 was absolute hell for a maker. It was 100% about per…

Nothing you describe is recognisable to me. It just seems like you chose to work at bad places.

I recognise it from regularly talking with fellow programmers at the local tech meet-ups. At least in my area, the work places with result-oriented policies were and still are in the clear majority, and only big companies with likewise big financial reserves could afford to pursue the economically wasteful route of process-oriented policies.

Re: Appearing productive in the workplace

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> Reminded me of when I had to be extra wordy to meet the 1000 minimum word limit for my high school essays. A huge AI signal to me is not em dashes, not emoji, not even the "not X, it's Y" construction which oh god I'm falling into the trap right now aren't I. It's a combination of these factors plus a tendency to fluff out the piece with punchy but vague language, often recapitulating the same points in slightly re…

Another commenter above this proposed a pretty compelling theory for the source of this style: SEO-inflated prose online. If the models were trained on the internet, "higher quality" content needed to be indicated to them during RL somehow. Search engine ranking is an easy-to-obtain metric that's kind of like "quality" if you squint, turn around, and lobotomize yourself. So the AIs have a high likelihood of producing…

That's circular though. Why does that content get ranked highly? Because it gets a lot of backlinks, long clicks, etc. So people seem to like it.

Re: Appearing productive in the workplace

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I watched a video of some (unemployed) programmer lamenting over the current job situation market. He had been coding for a good while, but had recently been laid off. The vid was mainly concerning the searching and interview process, but it also did highlight something I find somewhat true and important: Right now we're in a gold rush. Companies, that be established ones or startups, are in a frenzy to transform or…

I've simply not seen this at all. As someone with 10 YOE who was in the job market from November to early April going for senior software engineer roles, quality and architecture seemed to be the thing every org cared about. The bar not only to secure and interview, but to get hired was unbelievably high.

Some of the interviews I were getting were at AI startups and all of them were either doing architectural questions or multiple rounds of architectural, behavioural and leetcode problems.

Only one of the orgs was hiring junior engineers and the director of technology mentioned to me he didn't want to as they were "incapable", but it was a quota given to him by the board.

I also got told by multiple recruitment agents that I wasn't experienced enough, and some hiring managers were demanding 15 YOE for a senior role.

Re: Appearing productive in the workplace

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In my experience I'm pasting a lot more into AI to get the high level summary though.

And they are generating the longer version with AI, that you are then using AI to summarize. This is not adding value for anyone except people whose function is to look busy, and people trying to avoid their busy work.

Yes, I don't find AI generated documents are useful, they just add a ton of fluff. but it's removable fluff at least was my point.

Re: Appearing productive in the workplace

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What is described here closely resembles my experience too. My company is full of managers who haven't written code in years. They hired an architect 18 months ago who used AI to architect everything. To the senior devs it was obvious - everything was massively over engineered, yet because he used all the proper terminology he sounded more competent to upper management than the other senior managers who didn't. When…

My boss told me enforcing code quality wasn’t important because in 6 months we won’t even read code anymore.

There is perhaps _some_ truth to this, long term. But I think it’s way too early to remove all the QA.

Re: Appearing productive in the workplace

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> 'In many of the rooms I now find myself in, expertise has been asked to look the other way: to deliver faster, produce more, integrate the tools more deeply, get out of the way of the colleagues who are “getting things done”.'

The entire article resonates, but that particular passage get at the core of a lot of my current frustrations around the use of these systems. Great article!

Re: Appearing productive in the workplace

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The OP has an amusing side point - LLMs have automated sucking up to management. There is a large market for that. His main point, though, is this: I have a colleague ... who spent two months earlier this year building a system that should have been designed by someone with formal training in data architecture. He used the tools well, by the standards by which use of the tools is currently measured. He produced a gre…

My friend built a construction management SaaS entirely via Claude. It looked damned impressive, and it kind of worked to demo, but he is in no way a programmer, though he understood the problem domain very well. I asked a few basic questions: - where is the data stored? - How would you recover from a database failure? - does it consume tokens at runtime? - what is the runtime used at the back end? - why are the web…

So far, when Claude pops out a schema it's pretty spot on, iff you've described the problem correctly.

What the article's author seems to be hinting at is that the problem was described incorrectly from day one, and the LLM picked the wrong schema from day one. Because the person making it is not technically literate enough to describe the problem in a way an LLM interpreted correctly.

The hidden BA work a developer usually does was missing from the process.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If anything, the current era looks like how 1995-2015 was for me. Back then I was not in the “nitpicker’s radar” yet. I was working in small teams and shipping like crazy, sometimes fixing small bugs literally in seconds. Things worked, were stable, made money, teams were fun and code and product had quality. The post-Thoughtworks, post-Uncle-Bob world of 2015-2025 was absolute hell for a maker. It was 100% about per…

Nothing you describe is recognisable to me. It just seems like you chose to work at bad places.

Or maybe you are part of the problem they are describing.
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