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Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by dariosalvi78 »

dankwizard wrote: post #427
dariosalvi78 wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's institutional corruption at all levels, legislative, executive and judicial. A systemic failure that favour abnormous private profits over basic rights of the citizens. The effort required to change the situation is massive.

What right exactly? I don't think there's a human right for access to all IP addresses.

> In the Summer of 2016, the United Nations Human Rights Council released a non-binding resolution condemning intentional disruption of internet access by governments. The resolution reaffirmed that "the same rights people have offline must also be protected online." [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_Internet_access

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by sminchev »

We had a strange case in Bulgaria. There was a big event on the national stadium. Full with people. Some of the equipment for light/sound was based on modern 5G-based technologies. But because of all the people, caring their devices, the 5G network was so overwhelmed that the light/sound equipment was not able to communicate at all! Of course, they found this at the beginning of the event! :D To overcome this, one of the organizers went to stage and asked all the audience to stop their 5Gs so that the whole network be released from the traffic.

Unfortunately, it does not make sense for the representatives to invest millions of infrastructure, just because of a single event happened. :(

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by RiverCrochet »

sneak wrote: post #165
mschuster91 wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But we had successful global networks before the Internet (the PSTN, telegraph) These were ripe with espionage, wiretapping and sabotage. Access to it used to be highly restricted as well, up until the 90s for example you were only allowed to connect government-licensed modems to the German PSTN directly.

There was also no way for a normal person to easily and cheaply communicate with 20 million people in realtime.

If you're a normal person, you still can't, but it definitely looks like you can by ad-supported social networks. If you have 20 million followers on Facebook, your posts aren't guaranteed to reach them, unless you pay Facebook as an advertiser. Running a web server that handles and actually gets 20 million simultaneous connections for any length of time requires you to spend/have money or not be a normal person.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by bxbb »

encom wrote: post #86
estebank wrote: post #60

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The companies relying on cloudflare won't be in Spain. If you buy a GPS tracker by a Canadian company, developed in India, manufactured in China, they are unlikely to know, even it they cared, that a single country that accounts for a tiny percentage of their sales breaks fundamental internet infrastructure on the regular "because fútbol y dinero". And when purchasing a product, there's no "bill of materials" telling…

>fundamental internet infrastructure I'm not saying this situation isn't bullshit, but the bigger problem is that CloudFlare is now "fundamental internet infrastructure". This is precisely the situation that the internet was designed to prevent. Yesterday I got stuck in endless CloudFlare CAPTCHA's, trying to access theretroweb.com. I had to give up. Many such cases. I hate CloudFlare so much, it's unreal.

> This is precisely the situation that the internet was designed to prevent.

Geoff Huston discuss this a few months back. The economic incentives helps shape centralized internet, to the point that most of today's traffic is cache push and private peering between major providers, rather than network transit.

https://blog.apnic.net/2025/08/21/podcast-the-inevitability-...

Which kind of make sense, since with peering both end of the infra (if separate entity) can negotiate for better terms upfront. While the latter is basically unpredictable opex based on traffic shape and routing algorithm.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by pfortuny »

swiftcoder wrote: post #197
pfortuny wrote: post #147

> instado por la Liga Nacional de Fútbol Profesional y por Telefónica Audiovisual Digital, (The trial was initiated by LaLiga and Telefonica...). "Telefonica" is the (exclusive) distributor for the rights of streaming the matches, and is only (of course?) the main consumer (and business) Telco in Spain: they are in a game they cannot lose. This is such an abuse and no government (this, past, whichever) has done anyth…

It is also educational to look up the overlap between Telefonica directors, LaLiga directors, and the government officials who granted the defacto monopoly

Educational indeed.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by subscribed »

shibapuppie wrote: post #288
tobz1000 wrote: post #142

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> there are testimonies of smart home devices like anti-theft alarms or automatic doors, that stop working whenever [...] because their backends rely on Cloudflare. The fault here lies 100% with horribly designed IoT devices that turn into bricks when they lose internet connection.

Yeah the horribly designed alarm system that can't alert a central authority that something has gone wrong. Maybe we should just put huge air raid sirens on our homes instead?

In this case it would be a huge air siren on the list father's head when his tracker is blocked form the upstream.

What a wonderful idea!

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by Self-Perfection »

Self-Perfection wrote: post #258

This is far from the first time that I see on HN indignation on LaLiga blockings. Sadly all this rage does not seem to lead to any change. I'd like to suggest some steps that might/should be followed, which I will not pursue personally but in my defense - I do not live in Spain and not affected. 1) (first! low-effort) Somebody should create any space on the internet, where such anecdotes might shared and probably peo…

kudos to guys who already started to work in that direction! They track blockings:

https://hayahora.futbol

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by pajamasam »

dnnddidiej wrote: post #373
pajamasam wrote: post #365

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There are multiple good reasons to use a CDN though. What’s your suggestion for an alternative?

All the other ones. I wonder can you just set up fallback to origin in DNS

> I wonder can you just set up fallback to origin in DNS

Then you origin needs to be publicly accessible and you lose the DDOS protection that a CDN gives you.

> All the other ones.

They're just as susceptible to outages as Cloudflare is.

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