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Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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> Heh, lucky you, at least you get a message. My ISP just drops traffic to the affected IPs. No ping, no traceroute, just a spinner in the browser until it says "page not found". This is generally how the GFW works in China. Instead of an overbearing nanny like a school or corporation's DNS blocker, you're left with a sense that you're on a version of the Internet that is just intermittently and somewhat mysteriously…

Your last paragraph: it is sad. But we had successful global networks before the Internet (the PSTN, telegraph) and we'll certainly have global networks after this at some point in human history. Perhaps in the the time between the Internet and what's next, the world will become a bit more mature about a few things.

> But we had successful global networks before the Internet (the PSTN, telegraph)

These were ripe with espionage, wiretapping and sabotage. Access to it used to be highly restricted as well, up until the 90s for example you were only allowed to connect government-licensed modems to the German PSTN directly.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Perhaps its time to put a VPN into all your CI jobs

You can't fight political issues with clever technical solutions

It depends on what the political system is trying to do.

A VPN won't help against government blanket outages, where the target is complete control of communications, and attempts to circumvent may result in extreme penalty. In this case, where the government policy is to stop unauthorized streaming, and collatoral damage is acceptable, a VPN hosted in a more favorable location is likely to work enough. Afaik, I don't think Spain has the political appetite to block VPNs and such during football matches.

You can still fight the political issue with political means, but in the mean time, you can also get work done.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Perhaps its time to put a VPN into all your CI jobs

You can't fight political issues with clever technical solutions

You totally can, that's why bittorrent still exists and works fine.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Cloudflare could resolve this without negatively impacting fundamental services... just place all newly registered sites (e.g. But of course, Cloudflare rather prefers to hold their actual large customers (who don't have much of an alternative to CF) and everyday Spaniard users hostage.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Your last paragraph: it is sad. But we had successful global networks before the Internet (the PSTN, telegraph) and we'll certainly have global networks after this at some point in human history. Perhaps in the the time between the Internet and what's next, the world will become a bit more mature about a few things.

> But we had successful global networks before the Internet (the PSTN, telegraph) These were ripe with espionage, wiretapping and sabotage. Access to it used to be highly restricted as well, up until the 90s for example you were only allowed to connect government-licensed modems to the German PSTN directly.

There was also no way for a normal person to easily and cheaply communicate with 20 million people in realtime.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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I've been filing complaints since a year ago, told others to do the same too, nothing happens. There been moments I've meant to deploy fixes to issues but I cannot, because some tooling goes offline. I've claimed financial loss, claimed sanity loss and everything in-between, but I'm afraid unless something reaches the European/EU courts, Spain will continue to be in the pocket of the La Liga owners. Straight up fucki…

Whenever I get a little down over how much power unelected corporations have in my country, I can at least cheer myself up a little by being thankful that something as stupid as football doesn't have enough power here to control whether or not I have internet access.

It would if it were bigger business in your country. Try torrenting an MCU movie and see what happens to your ISP account.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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I had to Google why this happens, blocking cloudflare during football games seems.. Arbitrary, to say the least. Maybe something to do with hooligans trashing entire cities when their team loses? I could almost get behind that, if I thought it would work..

But no, it's apparently to stop piracy!? Turning off half the internet, and mostly the legitimate parts at that (since when do pirates use cloudflare?) seems like probably the worst method to go about it.

Someone ought to start streaming those games illegally without using cloudflare just to demonstrate how stupid this policy is

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Perhaps its time to put a VPN into all your CI jobs

You can't fight political issues with clever technical solutions

That became a popular refrain at some point but the truth of it varies. In fact many political issues are brought about by technical changes so obviously the reverse must be possible as well.

What technical solutions can't change is the underlying social dynamics.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Why do they do that? Sorry, I don't speak Spanish.

The football league would rather not have pirates livestream their ~90 minute games. Pirates would rather not be blocked, so they create a new, disposable website for every game. Any blocking must happen fast. Cloudflare would rather not block websites without a court order specifying the sites to be blocked. The courts would rather not create a special fast lane through the courts, just to resolve a squabble between…

The US is captured by the Israeli lobby. Spain is captured by the football lobby.
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